Dude, Where’s My Bill?

Congress passed its Iraq war supplemental bill last week, but the White House still has not received it. The holdup, according to Congressional Quarterly (via National Review), is that Nancy Pelosi has not yet signed the bill. And the reason for the delay? Apparently, Pelosi has no idea what Congress passed:

The conference report on the bill (HR 1591 – H Rept 110-107) was adopted by the House and cleared by the Senate last week, but Pelosi, D-Calif., wanted time to personally read it and sign it before sending it to Pennsylvania Avenue.
“It’s a major piece of legislation and you have to go through it word for word and line by line,” Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami said Monday. “She believes this is very important legislation, which she will sign and the president will receive Tuesday.”
The White House had wanted to get the bill and send it back, complete with the president’s veto message, before the weekend.

John Boehner wants everyone to know just how ridiculous this is:

Now we’ve heard everything. The Speaker recommended the conference report on the war funding bill last week, voted for it last week, and could have sent it to the President as early as last Thursday when the Senate passed it (the House was in session). But NOW she wants to read it?? Wow.

Once again, the Democrats want to play political games with the troops while twisting themselves into contortions to deny it. They planned all along to time the arrival of the bill with the anniversary of the so-called “Mission Accomplished” speech on the carrier USS Abraham LIncoln:

Democratic leaders in Congress are planning a special ceremony on Tuesday afternoon to send President Bush a bill that sets timetables for troop withdrawal from Iraq.
The timing is no accident. It comes on the fourth anniversary of the day Mr. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier under the banner “Mission Accomplished” and declared that major combat operations in Iraq had ended.
The Democrats’ ceremony, featuring the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, is part of the elaborate political theater at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue surrounding the Iraq spending bill, which is destined to produce only the second veto of Mr. Bush’s presidency.
But with Mr. Bush planning to spend Tuesday in Florida talking with military commanders, the White House was being coy on Monday about what kind of theatrics of his own — if any — he might stage. Democrats, however, said they expected the veto to come Wednesday.

I guess Nancy Pelosi would rather be thought idiotic than cynically manipulative.

33 thoughts on “Dude, Where’s My Bill?”

  1. The Democrat Party has become indistinguishable from a mob of glue-sniffing, juvenile delinquents.
    Senator Combover Biden has said he will shove this bill down the President’s throat.
    Dingbat Pelosi says the dog ate her homework.
    Senator “Bought and Paid 4” Reid is coordinating attacks on our troops, with Al Qaeda.
    What’s next for the Democrats? Bake sales for Al Qaeda? Love-ins with the Iranian Mullahs?
    Acting out when you’re 13 is understandable.
    Acting like a 13 year old when you are pushing 70, is just pathetic.
    Again, who elected these people? What were they thinking?

  2. I guess Nancy Pelosi would rather be thought idiotic than cynically manipulative
    Sorry Captain, I think GWB has the idiotic label all to himself. Nancy is a distance second.

  3. One minute she’s hobnobbing with the terrorist-thug in Damascus, no doubt one of her biggest supporters, the next she is letting the US military twist in the wind while she gets all catty with President Bush.
    After a couple of years of Pelosi, the country is going to think twice before putting another feminist dingbat in a position of national power.

  4. Now I get it—the BIG picture. Pelosi’s methodology is sitting right in front of me, and I didn’t see it. We’ll fight our enemies with symbolism alone, and who better to do it than the Democrats? I get it. If Nancy was in charge, Osama would soon be so humiliated that he’d just give up. Easy as baking some cookies. How did it miss it?

  5. After a couple of years of Pelosi, the country is going to think twice before putting another feminist dingbat in a position of national power.
    Last time I checked the Speaker of the House was NOT put into power by the people of the country. It is how incredible idiots like Pelosi, Gingrich and Hastert ever get into these positions in the first place! The “country” had nothing to do with it.
    But I laugh when I read these hypocritical posts about symbolic antics and Ms Pelosi each and every time I see GWB standing in front of a group of soldiers!

  6. Clearly, the failure to get the bill to the presidents desk with any sense of urgency is a sign of rank incompetence.
    It’s also clear from this that Nancy Pelosi hates American soldiers and Iraqi people.
    Heck of a job Pelosi.

  7. People who vote in America, tend to follow the political “happenings” in Dc. Where, so many are now used to seeing the 51/49 shift. With the current move into the donk’s column SEEMING TO HOLD.
    So, the name-calling is useless. Though it let’s off steam. The Kos Kids had their turn at being obnoxious. And, there’s no easy way to teach people on the right, who should know better, to stop with the name-calling schtick, already.
    For starters, Nancy Pelosi sits where she sits because she’s one tough cookie. And, DC is a place where politicians in BOTH PARTIES play a very nasty game of hardball, WHEN THEY CAN!
    Okay. Missing in today’s environment, is the Irish friendship that developed between Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan. Of course, due to the fact that both men schmoozed the same way. Were familiar with the ways polticians worked. And, practically shared the same stories. Yeah. They liked each other!
    From Tenet’s toss, you can tell there are people who were working close enough to Bush; to come away HATING the man! You’ve got another term for Tenet’s behaviors? And, he’s not the only guy, from under the bus, who has sent out word that Dubya “doesn’t think, a lot.”
    Dubya’s wounds are self-inflicted. PLUS, they’re costly to the party. By the way, DeLay says the same about Newt Gingrich. He says Gringrich wasn’t a particular good leader. Great on the tube. Great on TV. But a mess behind the scenes. And, some of the poison he dropped; forcing the GOP members of Congress to adopt “goody-two-shoe” guarantees; is just what Pelosi used, from her minority chair. In 1998. To remove DeLay’s testicles. Inside politics, it is ROUTINE for one side to try and use its powers to stymie the other.
    While to disguise her keen abilities, pelosi runs with the Ma part of the Ma and Pa Kettle show. (Americans loved that show! So, why not a re-run?)
    In Israel, just to compare. Things are different. In Israel the voters can toss out an entire party! That’s why there’s this underhanded shifty-ness; to destroy Olmert. On garbage. Will it work? Dunno. Olmert’s the pro. And, the angry men and women are the ones tossed from power. On the moves Arik Sharon made to destroy Likud. He could really hold a grudge!
    Meanwhile, in Israel. The shift came because of how the votes tallied. And, Bibi did less well than ever, for the Likud. That’s why today, inside his party, there’s a war going on between him, and Sylvan Shalom. To control 12 chairs.
    Now? With the help of the media? And, a few academics who do “hindsight” committee reviews? It remains to be seen. Because the touch was thrown to start firewworks. And, fireworks are really up to voters.
    It’s also interesting, that except for Israel’s religious right; there’s more agreements between groups, than you see, here.
    Here? It’s Kos kids on one side. And, nutters on the other. Both think they’re inflicting damage with name-calling.
    When the truth is most people know what goes on in whore houses; without actually having to visit one. And, what goes on in Congress. AFTER you’re elected. Without, in many cases, even knowing who got elected in their own district. Politicians are different than you and I.
    Given that there’s nothing Nancy Pelosi could do (other than fold great cards), there’s no reason to suppose that she’s even thinking of building a stake in the GOP’s “reserves.” Oh, do go notice. The GOP has no reserves!
    The bill’s not signed because it’s done it work. It made headlines. It put Dubya in a box. And, it pushed the Iraqis to do something else, besides just steal Uncle Sugar’s money.
    I’ve got no problems with tugging at the Iraqi leash; if you want to call a threatened “pull back” … a show and tell moment.
    That the Ma and Pa Kettle Show is designed to reduce any claims anyone, ahead, wants to make about Dubya’s administration … Shows ya the actual goals remain 2008.
    How so?
    Well, where are your bragging rights?
    If you’ve already lost the crucial 1%, how are you planning to recover?
    By the way, the same Congress, during the 1950’s, sat on their hands. And, did NOT pass Civil Rights legislation! The powers to change things down south was that the ball got rolling up on the Supremes. Two ways. For Connecticut. You could buy condoms in a drugstore that were OUT in public view. And, not hidden behind the counter; where you had to show a certificate of marriage to “buy a box.”
    And, in Brown v. The Board of Education. Where Gov. Faubus, in Arkansas, made a name for himself, and his state, by refusing to let a little black girl go to school. Eisenhower solved it by “sending in the troops.” But something else must have happened as well, ya know? Bill Clinton cast his anchor there. And, he rose to be president.
    I bet’cha, you just don’t know how! And, as long as lots of people remain clueless about how power gets exercised, they’ve got no idea why one canidate gets picked over another. Only that the candidate carries a “pro-life” sign.
    Now, I’m not sure that 40-million women a year have abortions. Unless that number includes the world, where was it plucked from? But IF that number is even close to the number of people who utilize that service? Wow. That’s more people who are not “pro-lifers” … and who probably won’t vote to make their decisions illegal.
    While people break the laws every day. When they drive over 65 miles an hour. (More law breakers existed when the laws were set at 55 miles per hour). And, when they light up a joint.
    If you think your side’s got the popular cards, so be it.
    But at least begin to understand that Nancy Pelosi is doing a PARTY MAN’S JOB. And, if you think she’s losing votes. But then she doesn’t? Which side gets to be more impacted? Hmm?
    When you’re in the audience, watching a show, and it seems flawless, you do not know what the stage manager, behind the curtain, is doing.
    Politics. Works the same way. That’s why back-slappers in Congress have different conversations when they let their hair down, and they’re talking to each other. Than when they mount pulpit stairs to pontificate.

  8. Not a surprise politics being what it is. This is a particularly useful tool for the Democrats as hey have regained power with the perceived mandate of harassing GWB. I think this will be their behavior right up to the 2008 presidential election. We make fun of the Dems by reminding them that GWB is not running again, but, in reality, GWB IS the Republican Party right now and I think it is a shrewd strategy to make it look like the Dems are running against GWB in 2008. Also, Bush (in my mind) does some clearly foolish things – Harriet Meirs nomination, immigration policy – and the hubris of his “MIssion Accomplished” moment was sure at some point to come back and bite him.

  9. “It’s a major piece of legislation and you have to go through it word for word and line by line,” Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami said Monday.
    I guess there’s a first time for everything.

  10. The Democrat party pulls another empty stunt.
    The bolsheviks gravitate naturally to propaganda, but still won’t offer a constructive vision for America.
    That’s a red flag, if I may say so on this May Day.

  11. “It’s a major piece of legislation and you have to go through it word for word and line by line,” Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami said Monday.
    Why didn’t Pelosi read the bill BEFORE it was voted on and approved? What is she looking for? Unfortunately, there are many bills that our “representatives” handle the same way – they never really read them until (maybe) after they’ve been voted on.
    The bill was approved last Thursday. It should have been on the president’s desk on Friday and absolutely no later than yesterday.
    This is a cheap, crass, political stunt and shows how unserious the Dems really are about funding for the troops.

  12. I see that monkei is doing it’s pathetic best to change the subject again.
    Looks like even hardcore radicals can’t find anything nice to say about Reid and Pelosi.

  13. Given that Bush has said like 4,000 times that he would veto the bill, I don’t see any particular urgency in delivering it to him. But since certain controversial provisions seem to have been snuck into the “patriot” act renewal legislation without explanation, a careful review of any bill before signing is probably in order.

  14. The hurry is the need to fund the troops.
    The Democrats have already stated that they don’t until to start on the replacement bill until after an veto override has failed.
    Doesn’t matter what got snuck into the bill during conference. The time to do something about it was before the vote. Nothing can be done about what’s in the bill now. Even if it was an honest typo or mispelling.
    The version that was voted on is the version that MUST be sent to the President. Nancy is quite aware of here constitutional duties. The only reason for her to do this, is to delay the final bill.

  15. This is the final straw. I’m calling Congressman Waxman and Senator Leahy immediately to start some investigations into Speaker Pelosi!
    There’s obviously a pattern that has developed here. I am concerned about her.
    First, Speaker Pelosi was “too busy” to attend the briefing in Capitol Hill by General Petraeus (everyone was wondering just what she was doing that was so important). And now, she needs “more time” to read the Bill and go over it.
    Like I said, I’m concerned about Speaker Pelosi. Does there happen to be any casinos in the general vicinity of D.C.??? Has she mentioned an unusually high number of “massages” ???? Does she appear to be blinking even more than usual???
    I’m sure Waxman and Leahy should be able to find me some answers – I have complete faith in the two Inspector Clousseau School of Detectivity grads.

  16. A good rule to follow. When your side has the winning advantage, don’t lose.
    Yes, Nancy Pelosi has a goal. To see that in 2008 the HOUSE comes back with at least the same margins, favoring the dems.
    It’s the future.
    So, she’s go no special line to God, tell her things will turn out. But this same disadvantage also besets the right. As it besets all of us.
    The donks know where the margins of victory lay.
    That’s why America’s voting “ways” have been analyzed, at least since Bill Clinton got into office. And, his “schtick-handlers” from Carville to Begala, all have ended up in lucrative jobs.
    What’s the right got? Rove? A one man standing army? You must be joking.
    If Roves in charge of the business end of Dubya’s presidency; he’s let Dubya’s ass hang out, butt naked. And, it’s no wonder you see Nancy swinging at it. She thinks it a piniatta. ANd, when the candy falls, the dems stay in charge of their ONE PERCENT LEAD.
    Dubya’s not giving you guys any traction. His dad didn’t either. But Bill Clinton did learn, in 1994, that to remain popular he could NOT TURN LEFT! So, he didn’t.
    You think nancy’s turned left. I think she’s only given AMericans who are less than thrilled with Dubya, a new window to gaze from; where America is willing to apply leverage to a bumbled and fumbled Iraqi “recovery.”
    Bush probably blew it with lots of people when he LIED about the RELIGION OF PEACE. He should have known his friends the Saudis never paid a price for taking over Islam with INSANE Whabbism. That’s gone global.
    Heck, even in Europe they hate Bush! Have you noticed how Tony Blair dropped away?
    That doesn’t mean the various spook agencies aren’t trying to keep abreast of the next terror out-break. Of for france? When will they run out of Renault’s to burn? Because they’ve got no pick up and zoom, from red lights?
    Citizens who obey the laws, stop. Kids with containers of gas in a can, “walk-about.”
    And, here, in America; just like the Ma and Pa Kettle Show, has impeded the IRaqis from their usual game of unloading Uncle Sugar of his money; so, too, has the views of Bush, being so totally out of his element in running this country, become … That the buildup against this Bush? I’d bet it’s higher than what his dad faced in 1992.
    One thing’s fer shur. Rove ain’t handling Jeb’s campaign. Because? Jeb’s the Edsel. Ain’t gonna go anywhere.
    But it’s interesting to notice, that the right is stuck with an unpopular candidate.
    And, Nancy and Reid? JUST HAVE TO HOLD THEIR LINE OF FIRE.
    Now, whose gonna make it to the 2008 nomination CAPABLE OF WINNING ACROSS THE BOARD, and across this country?
    If you think about it, you might discover it’s not the road to a religious experience. Ideologs are not gonna get elected.
    Maybe? Well, maybe, someday, ahead. Just to give American’s CHOICE, the sign carrying lunatics on the right, will disappear? Just like those “REPENT” signs no longer carry any weight, justifying their use.
    Make fun of the Ma and Pa Kettle Show all you want. But the simple truth is most americans recognize arabs as trickier than Dick. And, the negatives are really, really, there.
    How, there?
    If something erupts with another “city display?” You can begin counting the distructions of the mosques. Or the cement building blocks, that will keep them contained, in already awful neighborhoods. For that? The police can raise money to hire more men.
    How many? When the troops come home, some of them do filter into local police work. And, most states are offering more benefits than anything you can find along the border with Mexico. It’s practically Death Valley out there. Nothing but sand. And, tumbleweed.
    Oh. And, Dubya’s not a real cowboy, either. Just a non-talkative man, who cannot pull of a John Wayne imitation.

  17. “and the hubris of his “MIssion Accomplished” moment was sure at some point to come back and bite him.”
    Posted by: DaveD at May 1, 2007 11:17 AM
    Uh, not to burst your bubble, there, Dave, but Bush landed on the carrier as it was steaming into port, remember? The banner was for those guys on THAT ship, one that was coming home after ACCOMPLISHING IT’S MISSION. It is standard to put that banner up when coming home, but it would be ridiculous to not put it up coming home from an actual war…you know, like, A REAL MISSION?
    Yet there’s not a lefty alive who hasn’t pointed to that picture and dutifully regurgitated the lie that Bush said our mission in Iraq was accomplished. Even when he declared the end to major hostilities (and rightly so, unless you can show me a fielded uniform army somewhere we are fighting), he said that the war was not over, and would not be over for many years, and I’m even thinking at one point he said he didn’t think it would be over in HIS lifetime. But you just keep upchucking the talking points. I find them pretty hard to keep down, too.
    And of course this is playing politics. Pelosi has had months to accomplish something, but their only agenda has been to attack Bush. They aren’t there to govern. For them, it’s all about where’s my perks, dude, and screw the bill.

  18. Doc has jumped the shark with this comment.
    The banner was for those guys on THAT ship, one that was coming home after ACCOMPLISHING IT’S MISSION. It is standard to put that banner up when coming home, but it would be ridiculous to not put it up coming home from an actual war…you know, like, A REAL MISSION?
    So, when GWB just happened to mentioned in that same speech aboard that same aircraft carrier that combat missiones have come to an end he was only talking about that ship?
    Well it all makes sense to me now.
    Sorta like when Cheney mentions that insurgencies are in their last throes he was never questioned about which insurgents in which country?
    Shark jumper!

  19. Ah, hidden behind the political shrubbery; I read last week:
    There are on-going negotiations with the White House over this bill.
    So, you’ve got pelosi’s gambit on one side. (Delivered to the American People.) And, “secret stuff.”
    What will the results be?
    I guess it depends on Rove’s tactics? Hardball, or not. Everything in politics is measured in “outcomes.” In how things turn out, ahead.
    Back in 1994, just to use one example; Newt Gingrich MADE THE MISTAKE OF OVER-PLAYING HIS HAND. He threatened a “shut down” of government. And, in the end, he paid for it. NOT CLINTON. He gave Clinton the win at that poker table.
    Here?
    You are not gonna make hay on nancy pelosi’s maneuvers.
    Just like Tom DeLay said when he was Majority Chair. “To get Clinton to the middle of the road,” he purposely tossed out a very right wing agenda. KNOWING, and this represents FULLY KNOWING that politics is the “art” of the compromise.
    By going out to the extreme right; Tom DeLay was able to manuever Clinton into a more centrist position. It was WIN-WIN for the country.
    If you forget that COMPROMISE comes from both sides arguing down from where they stand; you’ll get the picture.
    Maybe, that’s why the arabs know how to work Bush so well? They’re age-old barterer’s. And, they pride themselves in taking Westerner’s over the barrel.
    Anyway, keep playing. So far you’ve lost your edge. You gave away the TWO PERCENT it will take now, to regain the advantage.
    You think Bush helps? I think he’s stuck, even if he veto’s this bill. Because I-R-A-K doesn’t excite the public.
    Do you know why? It could be that they went from once being a secular country; to now being under the thumbs of two insane groups of Islamic “developers.”
    Ditto, when you look at Turkey. For a religion, they sure don’t know how to win their status. They just force it through. (And, Turkey has been called “The Sick Man of Europe since 1914, or so.) Religion’s not helping them recover. And, their military is not going to reward the “nutter.” Unlike Iran, that seems to have a grip on both the religion and the guys with the guns.
    What’s Iraq fighting for? Perhaps, just trying to escape the grip of the House of Saud? And, you know whose responsible for that! Don’t cha?

  20. Kaplan has a strong indictment of the ineptness of Congress’ knowledge of its own operations. When did they stop doing work and grandstanding?
    Oh yes, I remember, when they were first founded! Our elected representatives serve a useful purpose, getting work done is not it.

  21. Congress has always been about a bunch of critters who don’t have day jobs. So they turn “electioneering” into one. When they’re lucky? They get elected.
    Some of the things tried by the right really, really failed. In other words? Nobody’s ever cleaned up the HOUSE!
    And, you just can’t go and play inside! You’ve got to get elected to win.
    Then?
    Well, it sure deemed the left was in way more trouble than the right! To say the least!
    But look at this? Term limits? A sham. Something used by the GOP to gain democrapic seats. Worked for a cycle or two. And, then it brought home the reality that the GOP kiesters weren’t “keepers.” And, those within Congress? Some, the longer they are there, the more they become the “go to office.” When you need political help in your neck of the commercial woods.
    It’s never been a host to religious men! Even those that sung and danced for their living “over there.” That’s why you’ve got lost troops, now. Newt’s gone. On hypocracy. Followed by Livingston. And, now Hastert fell.
    So, that’s about what you’re getting from your song and dance men. as a lot of good one’s got dropped from power.
    Nancy Pelosi PERSONALLY took out DeLay, by the way. With “ethics” rules that do not apply to the donks. Because they didn’t vote “for” them.
    You want to clean up congress? You’ve got as much chance doing that, as limiting hair color, to just one shade, for all the gals who work the beds in a sex hotel. Or Vegas. Where they dance without their clothes on. And, people who go there lose their shirts; gambling. If they take off their underwear? A good chance they catch something special, in the pimple department.
    But it doesn’t stop the ways of the world from behaving as they do.
    What’s more surprising? Is that there’s a short fall, now, on the RIGHT, where you have to make up lost ground. And, regain TWO PERCENT.
    Well, it turns out not to be that easy!
    I also don’t think the old prohibitions, touted forever, will bring you more customers.
    Bush, 4 years ago, and today, if you want to compare; is on a downward slide. His popularity’s about gone, now.
    And, few people think he’s surrounded by winnahs.
    He’s even managed to give affirmative action a bad name.
    You can cry a river. Won’t make any difference. That’s just how the rules work.
    You also can’t always play defensively by crying out God’s name. And, saying you’re cleaner than the competition. In a mud fight? Being cleaner doesn’t mean a thing.
    But the middle.
    Now that’s the majority.
    Where for a time it looked like the left couldn’t serve a single voter, not one of their own. Looks can be deceiving.
    And, the political winds always shift.
    Catching the action in your sails, though; has something to do with how you control your boat, in the water. And, as long as the race is always on-going; being in the middle puts you in line to capture move voters. Even if lots of them are holding their noses.

  22. Scanning the ’sphere

    Jules Crittenden has been blogging for a much shorter time than I have but – proving how much smarter he is than I – he’s already found a means of tossing out blogosphere/story round-ups with a clever header “Good News/Bad News” that…

  23. monkei is relying on the standard, “take quote out of context to create anti administration talking point” template the left uses over and over (and over) again like a mantra. Bush said mission is over, mission insnt over, therefore Bush is a liar, and did I mention he’s just like Hitler. No blood for oil. Bush lied people died. Haliburton!
    Of course if you actually read the speech that bush said on the ship that had the welcome home banner, which awbtf ably provided Bush clearly states in fact that there is more work to be done, that the mission is over, that its going to take awhile and its not going to be easy. For example, for the reading challenged there’s this “We have difficult work to do in Iraq”. Or this “The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time,but it is worth every effort”.. Or how about this: “The mission continues.”
    But wait a second, how can Bush be saying mssion accomplished on the sign, yet say the mission continues in the speech? Cognitive dissonance!
    Of course there is a very clear explanation, and that is that the whole bash bush or saying mission accomplished is nothing but a scurillous charge by a bunch of insane wackos.
    And as for the shark jumper coment, with all due respect (sarcasm) that’s like a pig complaining about another animals sanitary habits.
    Bush is Hitler, Bush is the great evil in the world, Bush deliberately worked with Osama to bring down the WTC because he wanted to fight a war to avenge daddy, Bush is king, never in history has steal been melted by fire, bush deliberately took his time to go into N.O because he hates black people, Bush cant get osama and is a failure, yet also was holding Osama till the elections, there is no war on terror, there is no terrorist threat, every terrror threat is Bush hyping the threat to keep people afraid, none of it is legitimate (yet Bush is failing to secure the ports and we must have 100% of cargo inspected) We’re on the verge of a theocracy, a cold chill wind is blowing and Bush is silencing his critics (meanwhile more Bush bashing has occured around the world and in this country with a frequency bordering on pathology, Every daily show, every Real Time With Bill Maher, every Keith Olberman show every entry on Daily KOS is about what an evil guy hitler is and how he’s the new Hitler or the biggest threat to the world, other than global warming, and yet I don’t see Tim Robbins, the Dixie Chick, Michael Moore, Harry Belafonte, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Hugo Chavez, Cindy Sheehan or anyone else at daily kos rounded up and shipped to Guantanamo to be waterboarded).
    Why is that? Why all these scurillous charges and libels and recriminations from your side, and why does the reality not match the rhetoric? Because you guys are a bunch of shrill, demagoging liars. That’s why.

  24. jr565:
    Props for yet once again refuting the leftist drivel. Do you think they’re just trying to wear us out? Or do they actually suffer from a narcissitic mental defect, as some psychiatric blogs have proposed?
    I do know this – I am really starting to run out of patience. The underlying smirking nastiness and refusal to engage in intellectually honest debate is wearing awful thin; perhaps it’s because I saw it once before in the ’70s. The “Gangs of New York” solution is starting to look awfully attractive, and I’m afraid I not kidding.

  25. Gingrich, DeLay…….if you want to talk smack about SPEAKER PELOSI, better remember who started Rovian politics. Little civics lesson here, my party controls congress, nothing gets passed without the majority agreeing to it. Bush had a rubberstamp congress for 6 years. He and karl told this rsc what to pass. The American people got tired of rubberstamp congress, so they gave the gop a terrible whipping in the midterms. Now Bush dances to our music, and I know it takes some time for you neo-cons to grasp this new reality.But c’mon, you’ve had 6 months now to get used to licking mud off our boots. Haven’t you aquired the taste yet? I’m loving this majority congress gig. How bout you?

  26. What we’re seeing is Murtha’s “slow bleed”. His bragging session with the MoveOn groupies was seen only on Fox; the MSM were smart enough to make certain it wasn’t given any additional air time.
    Sure wish that someone with a copy of that clip would get it out on the Internet; time for more folks to see it.

  27. As I have mentioned previously, I happened to be in Hawaii a few days before the Lincoln hosted Bush in 2003. The ship stopped at Pearl on its way to its home port, and they were treated like visiting royalty, not only by the military but by the local TV stations. Not an anti-war story in the coverage I saw, even though Hawaii is reliably 94% Dem.

  28. Why all of a sudden when the Democrats take over and actually start paying attention to the way things are being done in Congress the right starts nit picking every single step they make. Accountability should be for both parties don’t you think?Isn’t that why Congress switched hands in the first place? The GOP could have done much better job actually telling the American people truthfully what was going on, not just say send us your paycheck and shut the hell up. It doesn’t work like that. For instance, what is happening with SS or immigration? Well, what are some major GOP policy referendums? See , it’s just sit back DO NOTHING, and then when the Democrats actually do something, it’s criticize and ridicule, while offering untenable, after the fact, pipe dream ruses. The GOP big form of government has what to show for it? If the stock market had not done so well in the past 5 years they would have been voted out long ago. Just because the other guys actually have a plan and you don’t doesn’t mean the problem will go away. Talk about being afraid. Big mouths, big ideas, little spines and miniscule cajones, yep, that’s the GOP.

  29. As I have mentioned previously, I happened to be in Hawaii a few days before the Lincoln hosted Bush in 2003. The ship stopped at Pearl on its way to its home port, and they were treated like visiting royalty, not only by the military but by the local TV stations. Not an anti-war story in the coverage I saw, even though Hawaii is reliably 94% Dem.
    Posted by: Del Dolemonte at May 1, 2007 09:48 PM
    And your point is what? That they should have? Anti war isn’t a position, it’s a fantasy.
    “Gingrich, DeLay…….if you want to talk smack about SPEAKER PELOSI, better remember who started Rovian politics.”
    First of all, define “Rovian politics” in such a way as to be different than anyone else’s politics (especially the Pervert-in-Chief, who’s team, including Shrillary, carried the politics of personal destruction to heights never seen before). Second, what does this have to do with Gingrich and DeLay? Third, neither has been convicted (Gingrich said he was sorry he took the book deal, the country excoriated him roundly for it, and then the Prevaricator-in-Chief and his wife BOTH took MORE than he did), though DeLay has been charged by what everyone (that’s not out for DeLay’s scalp, that is) calls an out of control prosecutor, a la Mike Nifong. So far, not one SHRED of evidence that he broke any laws (at least, not any that were actually in place at the time. He was charged with breaking one law that wasn’t voted in until six months after the act he supposedly did to break the law, and believe it or not, a grand jury actually indicted him for this “crime”).
    “Little civics lesson here, my party controls congress, nothing gets passed without the majority agreeing to it.”
    Thanks, you frigging idiot, I was wondering how that worked.
    “Bush had a rubberstamp congress for 6 years.”
    Bush NEVER had a rubber stamp congress, what he had was forty something Republicans, forty something Democrats, and, depending upon which issue it was, five to fifteen RINO’s. Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords ring any bells for you, or are you trying not to let reality be a part of your life?
    “He and karl told this rsc what to pass.”
    If only it had been true. What a moron if you believe this. Either that, or you’re just a shill for the Dems, repeating their lies trying to make them true.
    “The American people got tired of rubberstamp congress, so they gave the gop a terrible whipping in the midterms.”
    For six years, you whined and cried about how “the American People” want this, that, and the other thing, wrong every election. Finally, in a second term presidency (which almost always loses seats, and since the margin was only by one seat, we were EXPECTED to lose it in the Senate and most were predicting something like what happened in the house), he lost some seats, and yet every democrat now screams that that means the American public sent them a mandate for every loony idea they’ve ever had. Wrong. They unelected some bad Republicans, wish there had been more gone, but they should have got rid of more democrats, too. But that’s okay, we only got to run Bush this time (and he beat both Al Gore’s ass and John Kerry). Next time, we’ll try to run a REAL conservative.
    “Now Bush dances to our music”
    You’re saying that you control the President? Care to be tried for treason? You’re going to be promoted to Super Moron status if this keeps up.
    “and I know it takes some time for you neo-cons to grasp this new reality.”
    Not as long, apparently, as it takes YOU to grasp ANY reality.
    “But c’mon, you’ve had 6 months now to get used to licking mud off our boots.”
    Exactly why people like you shouldn’t be in power. This, while you think you’re saying it in a joking manner, is EXACTLY how you think. Trust me, in the next few months, we’ll look at your posts, and you will still have this same “lick my boots” mentality, while trying to punish any Republican for even the smallest pecadillo, even if you have to make it up, like Gonzales, Ramean and Compos, Libby, Michael Brown, Donald Rumsfeld (who, I’m glad to see, had a profound effect on Harry Reid, who is now promoting Rumsfeld’s “failed” (as it was called at the time, and now) plan in Iraq. You know, training the Iraqis, etc. What a great idea. Once again, Searchlight Harry comes up with a wonderful idea, one that’s already failed. Has he EVER come up with one that hadn’t already failed? I mean, has he ever failed on his own with an original idea? I didn’t think so.
    “Haven’t you aquired the taste yet? I’m loving this majority congress gig. How bout you?”
    Once again, you show attitudes you excoriate us for. And you wonder why we consider the Democrat party the party of hypocrisy and anti-Americanism. Thanks for proving our point better than we ever could.
    Posted by: conservative democrat at May 1, 2007 09:04 PM

  30. “Why all of a sudden when the Democrats take over and actually start paying attention to the way things are being done in Congress the right starts nit picking every single step they make.”
    Show me ONE piece of legislation they’ve enacted and I’ll show you stuff that the people of this country didn’t want. One hundred hours, she said, and the only way she could stick to that was to only count minute by minute (and not anywhere near all of those) that she worked on it. And what to show? Nothing. And we’re not nit-picking. Show me where.
    “Accountability should be for both parties don’t you think?”
    Which means fry the Republicans and let the Dems off. Or are you calling for the impeachment of Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, etc.?
    “Isn’t that why Congress switched hands in the first place?”
    No, because the MSM made such a farce out of the few Republicans who did something wrong, and made it sound like several more did when they didn’t, while making it sound like several Dems who did things wrong were little angels, and played down the ones who were convicted. As usual.
    “The GOP could have done much better job actually telling the American people truthfully what was going on, not just say send us your paycheck and shut the hell up.”
    Uh, that’s a DEMOCRAT party message, idiot, or did you forget who’s side you were on?
    “It doesn’t work like that.”
    Thanks for the bulletin, now tell your own party to stop with the legalized thievery vote-buying scheme, will ya?
    “For instance, what is happening with SS or immigration?”
    What is happening? The illegal immigrants are breaking into our house, stealing food from poor people and services from children and mothers who desperately need it. Social Security is going bankrupt because SOCIALISTS (including some current Republicans) have taken after Democrats and started buying votes with things like the prescription drug plan. More thievery.
    “Well, what are some major GOP policy referendums?”
    1. Close the borders
    2. Kill the terrorists
    3. Reduce taxes
    4. Reduce the legislative burden on businesses (read: remove Sorbannes-Oxley)
    5. Reduce the dependency on government.
    6. Lower interest rates to encourage home ownership.
    7. Reduce property taxes to encourage home ownership.
    I’d go on, but you’d just accuse me of regurgitating the Republican talking points. Of course, this is what some people call an AGENDA, or, a POLICY REFERENDUM.
    “See , it’s just sit back DO NOTHING, and then when the Democrats actually do something, it’s criticize and ridicule, while offering untenable, after the fact, pipe dream ruses.”
    Gee, the Dems are so beat up, I’m so sorry. You moron. The Republicans could do nothing without getting RINO’s to go along with it, which meant, unlike what you say, that there was NEVER a Republican agenda being pushed through. Democrats do something? Name one thing they’ve done except waste our time with one spurrilous investigation after another. You have to admit, the Republicans never did an investigation where they admitted at the outset that there was nothing wrong. And show me one “after the fact, untenable, pipe dream ruse”. I’m betting you can’t.
    “The GOP big form of government has what to show for it?”
    That conservatives are right when they demand smaller government.
    “If the stock market had not done so well in the past 5 years they would have been voted out long ago.”
    Uh, this is simply moronic, since the stock market has done so well in the last five years BECAUSE of those Republicans and their policies.
    “Just because the other guys actually have a plan and you don’t doesn’t mean the problem will go away.”
    Uh, again, moronic, since I’ve never seen one single plan from the Democrats in three years of whining and complaining, except retreat. That isn’t a plan, it’s surrender.
    “Talk about being afraid. Big mouths, big ideas, little spines and miniscule cajones, yep, that’s the GOP.”
    Funny, that describes the entire Democrat Party perfectly, except no big ideas. They have no spine, or else they’d just cut funding and take the hit. Why don’t they do that? Because they know that their fake polls saying the American public supports retreat are fake. They asked the questions in such a way that anyone who wants the troops to come home sounds like they want us to surrender, when they know most of those want the troops to come home, but not if it means surrendering. At least, that’s what the polls are saying. Here, here’s a link:
    http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2007/iraq-the-democratic-mandate/
    Posted by: The Fly-Man at May 2, 2007 06:20 AM

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