March 17, 2007

I Know You Guys Will Tell Me To Buy An Apple ...

In preparation for the job change, I decided to get a spare laptop to use in case my main computer goes down. I bought the Sony Vaio PCG-7M1L last summer at Best Buy, along with the 3-year, drop-in-in-the-ocean-and-we'll-replace-it warranty, so a failure would get repaired for free. However, it would also be gone for up to 3 weeks if that happened, and that would mean 3 weeks of using my old, slow desktop -- not a good option, especially if I have to go on the road for Blog Talk Radio.

I went back to Best Buy and looked for an inexpensive yet serviceable laptop. I had originally looked at the Gateway MT6828 system on their website, as Best Buy had it on sale from $899 to $749. Unfortunately, the store and the site were out of stock, and instead I decided on the Gateway MT3705. Only $599, it had features that normally would be found on higher-ticket units, such as an Intel Duo-Core processor, a double-layer DVD+-RW/CD-RW drive, a 100GB hard drive, 1G of RAM, and Vista Home Premium edition.

So far, it seems pretty serviceable. It will probably not get much use unless the Vaio dies, but it seems quick and accessible. I had to de-install all of the freebie software on the system and load those programs I use for the blogging -- and I still have a couple left to go -- but it runs quickly enough and has a nice feel to it. I've been spoiled by the Vaoi's wide screen and more natural keyboard, but the Gateway has roughly the same dimensions as the Lenovo T-series laptop I use at my current job. The aluminum design gives it a more rugged feel than the Lenovo, in fact.

This is my first contact with Windows Vista, and I'm a little less impressed with it. The constant nag windows whenever the user tries to execute a program get old, but I feel as though I'm taking a risk by turning off the flag that enables them. I do like the new Explorer windows better, though, and Internet Explorer 7 and its tabbed interface comes with the system. (I use IE7 on the Vaio for blog entries, but Firefox for normal browsing; Firefox doesn't work as well with the Movable Type interface.)

Whenever I blog about my travails with technology, I always get advice from CQ readers to buy an Apple. I actually looked at Apples, but the price is out of my range for a backup that will see limited service, and I don't want to replace the Vaio. I've used Gateway before -- in fact, I bought a Gateway as my first prepackaged computer, after years of assembling my own, and I was happy with the result. If that changes, I'll let you know.

The MT3705 gets a pretty decent review here, too.

Addendum: The First Mate came home from the hospital this evening, and she's doing better. We have less than two weeks to go before the transplant. Hopefully we can keep her in good shape until then.

UPDATE: Jerry Albro, a Microsoft Software Engineer, e-mails me this kind response:

Greetings, and best wishes for the health of the First Mate…

Except when you are actually doing things that need admin privileges, you should not see the UAC dialogs. Of course, during that out-of-box de-crapification phase requires a lot of uninstall and installs of things you like and are familiar with. But you surely should not see that dialog box for routine operations. We made a lot of effort to make sure of that. Feel free to email me if you’d like to learn a bit more.

Here is a bit about UAC from one of the real MS security gurus.

This is a good point. I'm not really using Vista in a normal sense; I'm doing the "de-crapification" that one has to do when buying a new computer in order to get it to run right. (Great term, that.) Other than the UAC nag boxes, which should go away once I'm done with de-install and install tasks, it might turn out to be very nice.

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Comments (19)

Posted by Bithead [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 10:01 PM

HP.
Out.

Posted by Adjoran [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 10:30 PM

I've always had good results with Dell. Their tech support is great - although sometimes you have to deal with an accent. I've even called with problems that weren't due to the equipment after my service agreement was out, and they helped me through with no charge.

Sure, with Apple there is less worry about security, but what about Alar?

;-)

Posted by unclesmrgol [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 10:31 PM

Firefox doesn't work as well with the Movable Type interface.

To the maintainer of the Movable Type interface, I say "shame on you".

In this era of multiple browsers, there is no reason to make your code browser-specific, as the Captain is stating appears to be the case.

Any of the AJAX toolkits out there now support IE6/7 and Firefox out of the box, and, by extension, Opera as well.

Captain, I have Gateway, Sony, and HP laptops at home.

The Sony is the worst for warranty repair -- don't expect Sony to own up to anything -- look at the recent battery fiasco. In my case, the capacitors on the main power board went after two years (just outside warranty); in retrospect, examining the bbs' run by laptop owners, I found that Sony has by far the worst record with power regulation issues, and there is even a guy who will fix the caps for $150 if you mail him the laptop (I'm doing this now). If I'd read the boards earlier, I would have made a preemptive strike against Sony with my FR130.

With regard to the Gateway, I've had one issue -- a busted hinge on the screen. After a brief discussion with the online help guy from india, it turned out to be a known problem; DHL dropped a box the next day, I put the laptop in the box and called DHL the day after, and two days after that I had my laptop back all fixed nice. The only problem with Gateway is that the tech support won't handle more than one problem at a time, so I'll have to ship it back again to get the heating problem taken care of which is blistering the paint off the aluminum CPU cover.

The HPs have been pretty solid, if unexceptional. The big problem with the HPs (I own three) is that their air intakes are on the bottom of the case, so it's real easy to cover them up and have the unit overheat. For AMD units, overheating is the KOD, while for Intel units, you are liable to have the dad burned thing just shut down on you after you've typed that irreplaceable paragraph (Intel being slightly ahead on internal monitoring of core temperature).

Anyway, good luck with your Gateway. I've got two Vista coupons which I won't redeem until after the first service pack -- from everyone I've talked to with Vista, you are on the bleeding edge with regard to application and anti-virus support.

Posted by mcg [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 11:04 PM

I made the move to Apple but discovered a big downside: the unavailability of at-home service. I don't expect my computers to be free from defects, so I didn't automatically fret when I had to send my MacBook Pro in. But when I realized I'd be away from my machine for 7-10 days, with no guarantee that they wouldn't wipe my disk clean if necessary for repairs, I longed for my ThinkPad :) Fortunately, my budget allowed purchasing a Mac Mini to serve as a backup machine for these eventualities. But I do have to agree, now, that lack of professional service is a real downside for Apples.

Posted by Anthony (Los Angeles) [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 11:06 PM

I would never recommend to a friend that he buy Apple, mostly because of the horror stories I've heard from Apple users about hardware-related problems. If you have to buy Apple-care, plus a backup machine to get you through the 3 weeks it takes to get your primary back, is it really worth it?

(Note: I live in a PC world, so this info just comes from Apple cultists, not from personal experience.)

Posted by M. Simon [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 17, 2007 11:59 PM


A security expert's take on Vista.

If you're not versed in DRM doublethink this concept gets quite tricky to explain, but in terms of quantum mechanics the content enters a superposition of simultaneously copied and uncopied states until a user collapses its wave function by observing the content (in physics this is called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox). Depending on whether you follow the Copenhagen or many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, things then either get weird or very weird. So in order for Windows Vista's content protection to work, it has to be able to violate the laws of physics and create numerous copies that are simultaneously not copies.

Posted by Chimpy [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 1:10 AM

M. Simon:
Thanks for the link.

More Vista Info.>

“Poor test results for Windows Vista security software”
http://rawstory.com/news/dpa/Poor_test_results_for_Windows_Vista_03172007.html

AND, if you want to use an outside vender’s security software, ie Symantec or McAfee..>>

“Vista does not assign standard rights to many antivirus programmes to access all folders, Vahldiek explains.

Yet if a virus scanner cannot check through certain parts of the computer that might potentially contain bugs, it is not performing its duty. In such cases manual configuration is required.”
http://rawstory.com/news/dpa/Growing_pains_for_Vista_By_Sven_App_03172007.html

Posted by Sean [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 1:16 AM

Anthony, you know that Apple is far-and-away the leader in service, support, and reliability in the industry, right? Don't spread FUD because of anecdotal "evidence."

Posted by mshiman [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 1:23 AM

mshiman
Don't go with Vista. It's a nightmare. Buy any PC and overwrite Windows with any version of Linux. I walked away from Windows in 1997 and never looked back and I could never be happier.

Posted by SwabJockey05 [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 6:27 AM

How 'bout them Golden Gophers? NCAA Grappling Champs...

Posted by old crow [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 8:33 AM

I wouldn't trust anything business related to a Vista platform until SP1 is released. Too risky.
I've switched my business over to Mac and wish I did it five years ago. What a relief. Now my wife wants a Mac for home use.

Posted by Casey [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 8:34 AM

Well, skipper, I'd be saying "buy an Apple" as well, except it's obvious they're not in the right financial bracket for your requirements. :)

I have to say -as someone who's used XP since it came out, and is satisfied with the "old"- requiring someone to "de-crapify" a new computer speaks volumes about an operating system. I've never had to go through that, but on the other hand the last pre-built computer I owned was the original Compaq Portable, many years ago.

If you don't go Apple I would personally recommend Dell, although that Gateway sounds nice, Vista excepted.

I'm assuming you're using the latest version of Firefox, since it automatically updates itself. If you don't mind burning the drive space, Mozilla plays quite nicely with Moveable Type; I'm using v1.7 over here.

Posted by Captain Ed [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 8:47 AM

Just to clarify, it's not the OS that needs decrapification. That need comes from all the junk programs the manufacturers stick on the system after the OS is installed -- like AOL free trials, 90-day McAfee licenses, Napster trials, etc. The need to decrapify systems goes back to at least ten years.

Posted by BoWowBoy [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 11:03 AM

Buy a MacBook Pro. If you compare it to a similarly equipped Dell ............it is no more expensive.

I installed Windows XP on a 15 gig partition and use OpenOffice on both partitions.

Posted by AnonymousDrivel [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 11:27 AM

Do you have a valid source Win OS disk(s)? Can you not FDISK and reinstall from scratch? That would seem considerably easier than purging the undesired apps if you don't want any of them. It would also allow you partition the disk to your own special needs.

Posted by Captain Ed [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 11:41 AM

No. most of these computers come with Day 1 restore disks. I'd have to strip out the crap again if I tried it. A full-install version of Vista would cost me half of what I paid for the computer.

Posted by diane [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 3:42 PM

The amount of disinformation, negativity, and pure FUD about Vista is just amazing. It's a major step up from XP in appearance, functionality, and security. (If you don't believe me on security, believe Steve Gibson on UAC and DRM in Vista.)

You do have to watch out for application compatibility, and for podcasters, Adobe Audition is a big one. The anti-virus vendors will come around because they'll have to, but Vista may be the end of the road for them anyway — given modern malware, by the time anti-virus software can catch them, it may be too late to stop them. Vista has a defense-in-depth strategy to prevent malware from running in the first place, but you do need to leave UAC on, and you do need to locate the setting for Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and set it on.

I've been running Vista on 3 systems since mid-November and I've been completely happy with it. XP has been XPunged from my systems!

Posted by Cornellian [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 9:03 PM

If I had to buy another Windows machine I'd get a no-name box from a local clone shop with Windows XP installed on it. XP is a decent enough operating system and I see no reason to go to Vista.

Fortunately, I don't have to buy another Windows machine and with any luck I'll never have to do so again. I'm on my second Mac (replaced my first one about a year and a half ago) and neither of them required any "decrapification." Macs aren't loaded with all that AOL type nag-ware junk. Neither of my Macs has ever had a virus or other malware problem either, despite not having any anti-virus software on either of them.

Posted by Casey [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 18, 2007 10:05 PM

nice try, diane, but no cigar. ;)

True, Vista has improved UAC, and Gibson like that. If you read down through the post on DRM, it's mostly MicroSoft saying "hey, it's not our idea!"

A dirty little secret which pops out is that playing hi-def movies under Vista (Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) will require constant (eg 30 samples/second) sampling in order to be sure the hi-def output isn't being captured or redirected. Or in other words, just playing the movie back eats up all available CPU cycles. That's a helluva thing for a 3Gz processor...

I've been mucking around with micro operating systems since CP/M, and Vista is a bloated piece of junk. True, MS did improve their security model, but what sane OS requires 1 gigabyte of RAM just to run acceptably!? Ditto for all the eye-candy Aero interface, the 3d task pane, etc.

OS X is a more secure and more reliable platform, and it requires fewer/smaller hardware resources. If you want to stay with Windows, just get XP and a DSL/cable router. A hardware router covers 90% of your firewall problems up front. Then get the free version of Zone Alarm and a decent virus scanner, and you won't bloody need Vista's "improvements." At least not if you have a funtioning brain. But then, I learned not to open attachments from strangers a long time ago...

Heck, I'd recommend Win2000 for the do-it-yourselfers. It runs wonderfully on a 128Mb or 256Mb system where XP would gag. Even XP will run nicely on a Pentium III-667Mz if you give it 512Mb RAM.

Considering most folks will be moving to Vista by buying a new system which supports it, I repeat: since you are buying a new system anyway, do yourself a favor and buy a Mac Intel. No viruses, no trojans, rock-solid firewall, a security paradigm light-years better than MicroSoft has for Vista (although they finally seem to be getting serious, TWELVE YEARS after they released Windows 95), and it'll even run Office.