April 12, 2007

And Then What?

Joe Biden wants American troops to intervene in Darfur in order to prevent the genocide that is occurring there:

Joseph Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a Democratic presidential candidate, called Wednesday for the use of military force to end the suffering in Darfur.

''I would use American force now,'' Biden said at a hearing before his committee. ''I think it's not only time not to take force off the table. I think it's time to put force on the table and use it.''

In advocating use of military force, Biden said senior U.S. military officials in Europe told him that 2,500 U.S. troops could ''radically change the situation on the ground now.''

''Let's stop the bleeding,'' Biden said. ''I think it's a moral imperative.''

Interesting. Is this the same Joe Biden who wants to pull out of Iraq and let similar forces conduct their own version of ethnic cleansing?

I'd like to know why we would want to retreat from Iraq and enable terrorists there to conduct genocides just so we can insert a ridiculously small force in the middle of a real civil war to supposedly stop a genocide there. The same Democrats who have insisted that Iraq is in the middle of a civil war, as an argument for our withdrawal, undermine that argument with demands for our military engagement in Darfur. What's so special about that civil war as opposed to the one in Iraq?

The 2,500 American troops will make no difference whatsoever if they get sent by a nation that refuses to see a difficult mission through to the end. The same radical Islamist forces in Darfur will take the lesson Biden will teach with his and his party's insistence on retreat in Iraq: we will withdraw if we get a big enough bloody nose, and we will abandon the people who trusted us to protect them. The moment we start taking significant casualties, we will see the same body-count websites and International ANSWER demonstrations insisting that the US is fighting to control Sudan's oil fields.

Let's stop the terrorists in front of us and show some tenacity and commitment. If we do that, then terrorists might take us seriously in places like Darfur.

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Comments (19)

Posted by Marc [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 6:45 AM

MeThinks Sen. Joe better contact Nancy "Accidental Diplomat" Pelosi and arrange a mission to the Sudan.

Posted by Mwalimu Daudi [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 7:14 AM

Some questions for Senator Biden:

1. What is your exit strategy?

2. Why are you concerned about human rights in Darfur - but not Iraq?

3. Is Darfur important for our national security?

4. How many WMDs are there in Darfur?

5. Is Osama bin Laden in Darfur?

6. Can you find Darfur on a map?

7. Will you yourself go to fight in Darfur?

8. If US troops go to Darfur, will you flip-flop a few years later and claim Bush and the neocons invented the genocide in Darfur in order to steal oil for Haliburton?

9. If you do indeed flip-flop, where will you redeploy US troops to - New Orleans?

10. Will there be a draft?

Posted by Ralph127 [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 7:44 AM

Great post exposing the hypocrisy of the American hating Left that rules us from congress.

The questions I’ve been asking is were are the Muslims in the West, with all the freedoms of the West, coming to the defenses of Muslims being slaughtered in the name of Islam by Muslims in Dafur?

The silence of the Muslims in the West has driven me to conclude that Islam is the problem. There can be no peace, no safety and no freedom unless the central tenets of Islam are repudiate by men of good will, irrespective of their creed.

How long do you think I’ll be free to express such views in America?

What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?

The War Within Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 12, 2007
I remember a 22-year-old woman from Gaza who was ‘accidentally’ burned by her family in an attempted ‘honor killing.’ They had accused her of being unfaithful to her husband. Her life was saved by a team of doctors in the Burn Unit at the Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva. A few months later during a follow up examination in the outpatient clinic at Soroka Hospital she was caught with a 10-kg-explosive belt under her clothing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27824

Posted by rbj [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 7:49 AM

It is just more of the "what ever it is that Bush is doing, we'll do the opposite" nonsense.

Posted by Keemo [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:01 AM

Is Biden attempting to steal back some of the lime light captured by Pelosi, or is this just "part of the Democrats plans" for the continuance of undermining the current administrations foreign policy during a time of war?

For months, Pelosi has been strutting around the country... waving a white flag... savaging the President... demanding our UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER ON THE WAR ON TERROR. In fact, if she had her way, the United States would skulk out of Iraq like whipped dogs, letting a bunch of rag-tag Islamic Fascists run the world.

And that's her privilege -- not as Speaker of the House -- but as a U.S. citizen whose right of free speech is protected by the First Amendment.

But Pelosi arguably committed a FELONY when she traveled to Syria and whispered behind closed doors with Bashar al-Assad, Syria's terrorist-loving leader.

First, the U.S. Constitution implicitly gives the President the authority to conduct foreign policy.
In order to make that responsibility explicit, in 1798 President John Adams initiated the Logan Act, which forbids any American -- "without authority of the United States" -- to communicate with a foreign government with the intent of influencing that government's actions in any "disputes or controversies with the United States."

VIOLATION OF THE LOGAN ACT IS A FELONY. Upon conviction, an offender can be sentenced to prison for up to three years. If she was just a regular person like you, Nancy Pelosi would be a prime candidate for a prison cell.

Why should Speaker Pelosi -- third in the line of Presidential succession -- get away with blatantly undermining U.S. foreign policy by meeting with the leader of a country that supports terrorism? Why aren't our conservative leaders calling for a full investigation of her actions, or censure or even impeachment?

The U.S. broke off diplomatic relations with Syria in 2005, so no communication with that country's government could possibly occur "with the authority of the United States." Pelosi's flagrant and shameless strutting on the world's stage... her cavorting with supporters of terrorism... constitutes a declaration of war against the Executive Branch of our government.

But more than that... She basically gave every terrorist around the world a GREEN LIGHT!
She sent a clear and unmistakable message to terrorists and terrorist sponsors around the world that the United States is divided and weak... That we don't have the will to fight an enemy that has shown itself to be ruthless and not beyond killing innocent Americans at home and abroad.

Pelosi's actions aren't simply foolish -- they're dangerous. But what is even more of a danger is the "ho-hum" reaction of our so-called conservative leaders in Congress. It's time for our conservative leaders in Congress to stop behaving like Little Goody Two-Shoes and start defending the President, the rule of law, U.S. troops in Iraq and those Pelosi went to the Middle East to betray.

Pelosi, Biden, Reid, Dean; the names are different, but the actions are the same...

Posted by Keemo [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:24 AM

YALA, Thailand (AFP) - At least 11 people were wounded by a bomb at a busy market in Thailand’s restive Muslim-majority south Thursday but a second device was defused, police said.

The attack came as mainly Buddhist Thailand was on high alert against possible terror attacks during the five-day Buddhist New Year holiday, which begins on Friday.

The bomb, hidden under a market stall, was set off by a mobile phone in Yala, one of three insurgency-hit southern provinces bordering Malaysia, police said.

Another bomb was discovered at a public phone booth near the market but police defused the device.

Notice: even though the wire services want us to think the jihad violence in Thailand is “shadowy” and mysterious and no one ever claims responsibility, they still don’t hesitate to label it an “insurgency.”

Yala has suffered the brunt of a recent escalation in attacks by a shadowy Islamic insurgency, which never claims responsibility for the violence. More than 2,000 people have been killed in three years of unrest in the south. (LGF)

Is Biden going to demand troops sent to Thailand? Is Pelosi going to schedule talks with the Islamic insurgency in Thailand? How bout we surrender in Iraq and allow for the death squads to massacre hundreds of thousands of civilian Iraqi's; redeploy our troops by putting 2,500 soldiers in every nation around the globe that is currently troubled with Islamic Insurgency... Sound like a winning plan?

Posted by krm [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:29 AM

The Dems strategy is pretty clear by now: any Bush did was wrong and should be reversed/stopped immediately (regardless of the consequences, which would be all Bush's anyway) and anything Bush didn't do was wrong and should be done immediately (regardless of the consequences, which would be all Bush's anyway).

Pretty simple. Requires no complex thought, although it can be express in terms of all nuance with no substance. Great for the post modern folk.

Posted by ajacksonian [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:32 AM

Well, folks have wanted something done in Darfur for some time and I offer two splendiferious solutions!

As this Administration is sympathetic, but admits that the limits of military operations for the Armed Forces for minor 'peacemaking' operations has to be put by the wayside as Congress will not do its duty to properly scope, size and align the US Armed Forces, the Citizens who want something done actually can *do something*! Yes! This lovely Nation of open options and great choices that all depend upon the Citizen to know their limits and their powers can now see that this crisis has support to get something done and can now do the ONE thing that Americans have *always* done in such situations. This goes back all the way to the early 19th century and has a proud tradition of Americans actually doing something to help those they feel are repressed and desire freedom and liberty.

Do it Yourself.

Find all the likewise minded folks, pool your resources and then you have two great options left! First you can hire mercenaries to go and do the dirty work for you, and you might be surprised that some of those will actually *like* this work as it gets them positive recognition and acclaim, plus support from the most freedom loving people on the planet. As professionals they will expect professional level pay and some regularity to it, but that is all overhead, and I'm sure a legal mind or two can be brought to bear on that.

But that may be just not the thing for many folks, so the other solution, seen in Greece in their Civil War to separate from the Ottoman Empire all the way to the Spanish Civil War is to train up, arm up and, indeed, do it yourself! You might be surprised that folks *across the political spectrum* will kick money and supplies into the kitty and some will even volunteer to help train you. I will kick in a few bucks! And a complete set of the works of George Orwell... or maybe just a lot of copies of Homage to Catalonia.... I would not agree with the outlook but I would still *support it*.

There, the *perfect* solution to those wanting something done! American, true blue, traditional and shows that you really put your money where your mouth is... and possibly your *life*. And if you die in that I will mourn as it is a heroic death to do such things. Because that is what Americans do, and I would hate to see Americans fail in such lofty goals.

I am sure others would too. Americans fighting in far off lands for just and noble causes stirs the Nation. Sometimes to action and support. Sometimes not, but knowing that we, as Citizens, can try to change the course of affairs that need be changed to the good, that deserves respect and recognition.

That is why we have limited government that cannot go all over the world to right every wrong... because we recognize the ultimate responsiblity lay upon the Citizen's doorstep.

Not that of government.

Posted by chsw [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:33 AM

What US interests are at stake in Darfur? It is an Arab Muslim on African Muslim war. Sudan's oil appears to be pledged by the Arab faction to China. If anything, if the USA intervenes, it should be in force, and to overthrow the Arab faction in favor of the African group, and thereby replace the Chinese as the recipients of Sudan's resources.

chsw

Posted by Keemo [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:40 AM

At the Saudi Gazette, here’s an editorial published shortly after Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s visit to the House of Saud: The Alternate President.

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reminds us of the ambitious office worker who is surrounded by dunderheads who can’t or won’t get the job done. So she rolls up her sleeves and says for all the world to hear: “Well, it looks like I’ll have to do it myself.’

Pelosi, the rabble-rousing Democratic leader – or better yet the Alternate President – apparently has decided that President George Bush’s refusal to sit down and negotiate with Syria and Iran is just plain silly. If we are going to inch closer towards peace in Iraq, slow down Iran’s nuclear ambitions and create a stable region, perhaps folding our arms across our chests and frowning is not the right approach. (LGF)

The "ALTERNATE PRESIDENT".....

Remember when the Democrats were pounding Bush in the Liberal media for not going after the Saudi's rather than Saddam? Remember how this was peddled 24/7; "the attackers of 9/11 were Saudi's" not Iraqi's......... Now Biden, Pelosi, et al are bowing at the knees of these "declared enemies" of the United States. Who declared these people enemies of the United States; Democrats, the NYT, & CNN. What ever serves their purpose in their quest for power. We, the people, are nothing other than sheep being lead out to pasture.

Posted by docjim505 [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 8:51 AM

My heart bleeds for the people of Darfur. From a moral standpoint, I think that sending US troops to stomp the janjaweed militias who are committing the murders would be a Good Thing.

BUT...

Darfur is not remotely in our strategic interests. We are not the world's policeman.

Now, as for Biden... Remember, that maroon is one of the great thinkers and leading lights of his party, so you need to listen to what he says.

/sarcasm

Seriously, he probably read a newspaper article about Darfur, happened to see a news camera, dashed over and said the first thing that came to his (vacant, vain) mind. It makes him look all concerned and "presidential" without any risk to himself because he knows darned well that it ain't gonna happen. I think Somalia and now Iraq have given Americans quite a bellyfull of trying to solve other countries' problems for them, and I can't imagine any significant support for US troops to go as "peacekeepers" (i.e. stand around and get shot at by both sides) in Darfur.

It will be interesting to see the reaction to his bloviating as it demonstrates absolute base and blatant hypocrisy. As Mwalimu Daudi, the dems have given plenty of reasons why we shouldn't be in Iraq (even though they voted for it); the same reasons and more apply to Darfur.

And, again, Biden is consider one of the smart democrats.

(rolls eyes)

Posted by Monkei [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 9:28 AM

These are valid comments and I would agree that both Dafur and Iraq should be left alone. We were wrong in Iraq we would be wrong in Dafur.

Lets stay at home and fix our own security and take care of our own public for awhile.

Posted by Liberty Hound [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 1:33 PM

Just a simple peace-making mission in tiny Darfur against the rag-tag Janjaweed. Darfur is in Sudan. Biden is demanding that the U.S. invade the anti-American Muslim nation of Sudan, whose armed forces have threatened in the past to fight foreign intervention. There may be a need to cross into nearby Chad and the Central African Republic as well. The U.S. military may be obliged to destroy the, albeit small, Sudanese naval and air forces in order to safely project power 1,000 miles inland into the Darfur region. And what will we do to keep Sudan’s armored division quiet, or get our air bridge around their 12 air defense brigades equipped with shoulder-fired SAMs?

The American invasion force will be fighting the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia, perhaps the 115,000 men in the regular army, and the National Islamic Front in Sudan may be able to place another 75,000 men under arms. Don’t forget the global Islamists will send their Jihadis to kill Americans. And Biden’s tiny peace-making expedition will be doing this while trying to stand guard over millions of refugees in hundreds of locations.

Posted by Rose [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 1:51 PM

Obviously, Darfur represents no chance for victory in the War on Terror, and no strategic advantage for western forces to combat terrorism, or we would not find Biden trying to insert a distraction designed to aid the ENEMY of the American way of life.

Reminds you of those old west movies, where the enemy spy convinces the commander of the fort to take most of the troops out on a little picnic excursion in one direction, while the marauding army is bunched up on the opposite side of the fort, waiting an opportunity to overwhelm a skeleton crew after the self-important commander disregards his own scouts and leads his men into the jaws of destruction, totally oblivious, until the moment when an arrow penetrates his back - just as he tries to yell for a retreat.

Biden the Plagerist - with a "great plan" for America's future! Sure!


But I am curious - this represents the first time in 60 years that the DIMS would send troops to protect Christians. Very odd! Maybe the Dims don't KNOW!

Posted by fdcol63 [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 1:55 PM

The French, Germans, Spanish, Russians, and other Europeans have plenty of troops, which they have refused to use to help us in Iraq, that they can send to Darfur.

Let them, if the humanitarian concern is great enough, and be an example to us all.

Show some "positive global leadership" and be an example to us all, you bunch of whiny, anti-American, despot-loving hypocrites!

Posted by DubiousD [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 9:30 PM

The war in Sudan has been raging for two decades. Darfur is simply the newest battleground in an ongoing conflict.

Why weren't Democrats clamoring for Clinton to send troops to Sudan when he was in office? And for that matter, aren't these the same Dems who defended Clinton's decision to pull troops out of Somalia? Now they want us to send troops back into a virtually identical situation. And what happens if one of our Black Hawks gets shot down? I'm confused, which Democrat playbook are we using right now?

Posted by conservative democrat [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 12, 2007 9:36 PM

Rightwing stategy......what ever comes out of a democrats mouth,immediately attack its contents and the integrity of the person.......Karl Rove School of Dividing Nation......So rightwingers we believe in fighting fire with fire......Marcos, Daily Kos......so when we attack King George don't whine and cry about it. Your side invented harball i.e. Lee Hamilton.....we've learned how to play it,perfect it and were sending it back right at you...... your side is good at going on the offensive......but they don't like playing defense. Game on baby!

Posted by Mwalimu Daudi [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 13, 2007 7:37 AM

Looks like CD has had another snootfull of Kool-Aid to get his courage up. The downside is that makes his post is incoherent - not to mention off-topic.

But I forget - he is always incoherent and off-topic. Like the Democrat Party.

At any rate CD - will you go to Darfur to get shot at for the greater glory of the Cut-and-Run Democrats? Remenber the chickenhawk smear your side loves to use!

Posted by SwabJockey05 [TypeKey Profile Page] | April 13, 2007 9:56 AM

Unbelievable. Who ARE these people?