Captain's Quarters -

The problem is that those that are in power have not tired of bloodshed for a very, very long time.

Captain, your final observation that this will only end when the Palestinians tire of bloodshed reminds me of an early Bob Dylan song, "The John Birch Society Rag" in which he ran out of people to investigate so he started to investigate himself. I would have thought in the Palestinians' case, this would only have happened after they were successful in destroying Israel, but apparently they are so pathlogical in their insane violence, they seemingly must attack and kill someone and it doesn't matter who that someone is. That is one perverse buch of sickos.

"Be careful what you wish for. You might get it."

The "Palestinians" were, in effect, given their opportunity to create their own state when Israel withdrew. Now everyone can see that they can't govern themselves.

The "Palestinians" were ethnically and culturally indistinguishable from Egyptians and Jordanians. Their Arab brethren kept them in refugee camps to turn them into cannon fodder. Now we're seeing the consequences of that.

I wonder what will actually happen to those refugees? I really don't think that either Egypt of Jordan will be anxious to take them. Consider: Without doubt, if a mass exodus begins, both Hamas and Fatah will take every opportunity to slip in operatives into the refugee flow. These operatives will be charged with taking actions to destabilize the governments of the host countries. They will try to set up bases inside the refugee camps. This will probably lead to arms and fighting inside the camps, probably spilling out into neighboring areas. Probably in Egypt's case and almost certainly in Jordan's case, as soon as this starts, the government will try to deport all of the refugees. Deport to where? The only choice seems to send them back where they came from, Gaza. And the cycle repeats. Meanwhile, they'll try to blame Israel for the whole problem. But I don't think that dog's hunting anymore.

So how does it end? I honestly don't know. I'm beginning to think it doesn't end until the last Palistinean is left standing. And at this point, it appears that all the West can do is try to avoid getting splattered.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of sub-humans. Even Europe (or most of Yurp) has withdrawn pouring any more money into this cesspool of evil.

Only when Palestinians tire of bloodshed will it end.

I disagree. Only when the dreadful Palestinians have succeeded in killing ALL of each other will the bloodshed end. It's like watching a self-fulfilling cauterization of a cancer, and a lesson in Darwinian survival of the species all rolled up into one. When Palestinians go the way of the DoDo bird then the rest of humanity can get on with evolution.

We don't even have to chant "Go, Jews, Go!" any more, but just sit back and purr in satisfaction.

Eventually Egypt will have to take military and political control of Gaza, as was the situation prior to 1967. Gaza will be part of Egypt and the West Bank will be part of Jordan, and Israel will be able to deal with real countries with something to lose. A kind of peace will ensue. There never was a "Palestine" historically, and it makes no sense to invent one now.

This brings back memories of the residents of Said and Suez who rioted against the corrupt and inept Egyptian government. They said that they would rather be governed by Israelis.

Let's wish for a resurgent Fatah just strong enough to fight on for another year.

chsw

Given the eagerness with which the MSM declares that what is happening in Iraq is a civil war.

How long do you think it will be before the MSM start labeling what's happening in Gaza a civil war.

Never is as always, one of your options.

Ed, you may want to update. Jerusalem Post has reported that Hamas has launched a full scale attack on Fatah, capturing the northern part of Gaza.

See link here.

A bunch of atavistic, nihilistic, sociopaths. I wish them ill for all eternity.

This is only one piece of the puzzle.

Because up in Lebanon, the Lebanese army and navy are kicking ass. (You'll notice of the twelve palestinian camps in Lebanon, ONLY ONE 'erupted.')

So? You could guess that the "average" palestinian these days; knows they've been used. Who used them? The Saud's, and their various "relatives." Kuwait's in this over their eyeballs. Funding terror. Which means there's more than one color of checkered tablecloth in play. The Saud's wear the black and white; just as the palestinians do. But the Kuwaiti's (their blood cousins), where the red and white checkered tablecloths. In the mosques, however, it's all the same collection plates.

And, except for the fact that Bush is the Realtor for the Sauds, the progress on the ground, as violent as it is, will leave the mess, ahead, that's necessary. Because the last thing the world needs is Bush's pipe dream of "two states" living side-by-side. Too bad Bush doesn't own a "reality based checking system." But if he did, the smiles would be gone from his face.

Because there is no other way to kick the fight out of these bastards than to let them "go at it" inside their cages.

From Lebanon to Irak, what's "rising" are the Shi'a. And, boy, can these arab tribes hold grudges!

The other thing you could ask is HOW THE HELL DID THE FUNDS KEEP POURING IN? None of these "branches" ... from gazoo to tripoli ... have employment opportunities. So, whose been paying for this? Hmm?

While Olmert's been very well focussed. Yes. He plays "the weak hand." But he does this KNOWING where Bush and Condi "come from." And, how they'd love to pin this all on Israel.

Sometimes? Standing back let's you see the bigger picture.

Bush says he's not giving up on his immigration package, either. So when he loses? Is he doubling-up? Guy is capable of making the worst crisis decisions EVER! It's almost as if Jimmy Carter can't hold a candle to this nitwit.

What with Olmert's visit, today; the "rising violence" in gazoo is just the spot for Bush to do some "finger waves" under Olmert's nose.

Olmert's not even paying attention. He's watching what's happening at home. Where Ayalon and Barak can't seem to pull out "neck and neck." Doesn't exactly produce leaders for leadership, either.

But at least Israel has it's own soap opera.

The media is looking increasingly stupid every time it refers to "cease fires" in Gaza. It's apparent that they are nothing but pauses to reload. The media also seems surprised by events here. Even if they were too foolish to realize that Israel was the only brake on anarchy in the region, they had before them the example of Communists in the Balkans and, going even further, the British in India: when a strong, even though hated, leadership is removed from a divided country, you have the inevitable collapse into anarchy. And, unlike India and the Balkans, I don't believe that the Palestinians, who have steeped themselves in a culture of death, are likely to recover from this situation any time soon. And more worryingly, they're extremely likely to take surrounding regions down with them.

This is a human tragedy no matter the politics. Clearly those who live there share responsibility for the government they elected, but to say "let Gaza collapse" is trite. Innocents are dying.

It's too bad... people are generally very similar, sharing similar hopes, fears, and dreams. I don't agree that there's a genetic predisposition of anyone to violence. Both Arab countries and conquering Western nations are responsible for the dire situation in Palestine.
It wasn't too along ago that similar remarks were made about people of African descent. Today it's recognized as racism.

I can tell you for a fact that Jordan will not be kindly disposed toward allowing any of those camp "refugees" inside its borders.

"Innocents are dying" this is tripe. 95 percent of the Gazans voted for genocidal terrorist parties in the last election. Not even Nazi Germany could hold a candle to that bestialization of 'pali' citizenry (sic). Thus, if you killed 100 'palis' you would only have a one in twenty chance of wounding or killing 'an innocent'. And we've all seen those little 'pali' babies with suicide belts and RPGs, and their vehicle mock ups as UN or TV crew.

Let them go back to Egypt.

A solid majority of the Arabs living in Palestine at the time that the State of Israel first came into being were Egyptian immigrants who started fleeing Egpyt in the mid 1800s and continued to emigrate to Palestine well into the early 20th century.

There were plenty of other Muslim immigrants who fled Syria, Turkey, etc, during WWI.

Only 30 to 40% of Palestinians have ancestors who have lived in Palestine for many hundreds of years.

This is a human tragedy no matter the politics. Clearly those who live there share responsibility for the government they elected, but to say "let Gaza collapse" is trite. Innocents are dying.

There is no such thing as an "innocent Palestinian". The men are all terrorist militia-men bent on blowing up Jews.

The women are either breeders of terrorist babies in training, feeders of their terrorist husbands, or suicide bombers their very own selves.

And the children are all either cute little photo ops holding "toy" guns to shoot Jews with, or learning brainwashing lessons on how best to grow up to the ripe old age of 15 and become a blowed-up martyr.

Someone above used the tired tactic of name-calling "racist" trying to change minds by guilt-tripping. But really, would ANY one want one of these "innocent" Palestinian families moving in next door to them? Not only in America, but any other civilized country in the world? Their children going to school with your children, their sons dating your daughters, their men doing whatever the hell it is that terrorists do all day during their short explosive lives?

Who would have thought that both Fatah and Hamas are Zionist agents? I know I didn't. Live and learn.

but to say "let Gaza collapse" is trite. Innocents are dying.

How many times have we been told not to interfere in the affairs of "sovereign" nations such as Gaza? The Palestinians got what they wanted after Israel withdrew and they elected Hamas. They got a Jew free land under terrorist leaders.They knew who they were electing when they elected Hamas, let them reap what they've sown.