Captain's Quarters -

"... Gaza, which had a history as a resort center on the Mediterranean under Egyptian sovereignty, will become this generation's Lebanon. "

Captain,
One thing they are missing is a piece of shared border with Syria. Shall I continue?....
On the more ironic side, when is the next EU cash installment due?

Hold on, didn't the great world leader George W. demand that Fatah hold fair national elections, allowing Hamas to win control of Palestine? After all, Fatah didn't engage in kidnappings or killings of Westerners (outside of Israel), but it suffered from cronyism and corruption.
Many neocons wanted change, and now change has arrived. My guess is that no one predicted that kicking around Fatah would give Hamas and extremist terrorist organizations an opportunity to take over. Welcome to reality.

bayam,
Do you suggest, that without the elections Hamas supported by Iran would not take over anyway? Or is your hate for President Bush simply clouding your mind?

Bayam forgets that even Arabs, silly little brown people that they are, have the right to vote for their own local fascisti. We may not like the result, but the Pallies have the right to vote for their own brownshirts.

Yet another example of liberals believeing in Democracy for us, but not for others.

It's when Hamas begins its Final Solution campaign against the Joos that the Palestinians will get the kind of Government they deserve. Why don't liberals get this?

Meanwhile, I'm counting the posts until Carol Herman comes along to blame Condi Rice for the choices of the Palestinian voters and heap more praise upon that latter day Gladstone of Israeli politics, Ehud Olmert. Or should I have compared Olmert to Pericles and left it at that?

After all, we speak of giants here.

This shows the brilliance of Israel's Gaza pullout under Ari. Although it has produced pain for Israel, without the presence of Israelis there, the true nature of the 'pali' beast has been revealed for all the world to see, and without the antisemites being able to put a Jewish fig leaf over the prehistoric barbarism of the gazan creatures.

civil war in palestine? we should be so lucky. this news should be celebrated not lamented by bayam types. this is the absolute best news in the middle east in 50 years.

this is no different than a fabled mafia war just on a grander scale. when they finally have killed enough of each other, maybe then and only then is there a chance for peace. all the bs peace initiatives of the last 50 years was an attempt to postpone the inevitable--a civil war. i say give them ammo! democracy at work.

civil wars are a necessary transit that all societies must pass through as they work out their differences. it wasn't 150 years ago that we lost 600,000 dead and millions horribly wounded to work out our demons. by today's numbers that 600,000 would be six million!

You know, if I had to take a guess, I'd bet that one reason gazoo is "flaming" now, has to do with the beating the Lebanese army is inflicting on one of the "12 camps" Lebanon hosts for the palestinians.

In other words?

Well, let's discuss this as a "military matter."

Abbas, for one, is NOT going to expend bullets fighting for Dahan. It seems Abbas has no interests at all in gazoo. Except for the money he skims off the top.

Basically, Abbas is a leader of the parking lot in Ramallah. And, then? Whatever he can get when he holds up his signs; that he wants Israel to "give him guns."

Bush isn't letting on what he knows, now. Because he must know that General Dayton, playing up to the palestinians, has NOT done a thing for either the pentagon's progress; or what actually works!

Bush's footprints are clunkers.

But you're still left with the question, beyond "huh?" Why now?

Well, up in tripoli the "fatah to schmata" is getting flushed. And, what better way to make sure the idiots in gaza are not just focussed on the crap in Lebanon, than to put them under the guns?

Seems there's a race out of gazoo, too. You don't see it all, because a lot of thre traffic is UNDERGROUND. Through those tunnels. And, the "roadwork" that exists in ALL palestinian "camps."

Dunno know if this explanation helps you much.

As to "who is kicking whose ass," I think Abbas, for some reason, isn't as involved in fighting, as Hamas' Haniyah IS!

Yesterday, Israel threw a new low orbiting spy cam into the air. It looks down on what's happening every 90 minutes. So the updates are there. But most of the real movement? UNDERGROUND.

Perhaps what's most surprising of all; is how aware these terrorists are of one another's "generals." Oh. And, how tit-for-tat works. Because? One Fatah "general" is handcuffed and tossed off the roof of a 15 story buidling; when a Hamas-hole is then captured and tossed off a 12 story building.

Hamas now says "it's in control of the northern section of gazoo." And, Olmert's in DC, "getting tips for peace" from the nitwit in the White House, who has no idea how this crap started. You bet, I'm surprised at how well Assad can manipulate the daylights out of these fighting fools.

Yet another example of liberals believeing in Democracy for us, but not for others.

Yes, by pushing for fair elections under the terrible conditions found in Palestine, how would Bush have known that an extremist group like Hamas would win? Hold on, the CIA warned him. Sounds familiar...

You should visit either Iraq or Palestine so that average people on the street can personally express their gratitude. After all, people in the Middle East are begging for democracy after seeing the outcome in Iraq and Palestine. What brilliance...

What a humanitarian disaster! Surely the United States must move swiftly to save the poor, oppressed, endangered, innocent Palistinians.

How long do you think it will be until El Presidente calls for the emergency admitance of a horde of refugees to this country?

bayam you are soo clueless. you have no idea how we got here.

Bayam, so should Israel continue to occupy Gaza? From what I've been hearing from the left over the years it is the "illegal occupation" that makes Israel & the US so hated. So, o.k., end of occupation -- now what, a strong armed dictator, a la Mubarak, Assad, Saddam?

Or is this just another example of someone on the left side blaming everything on the US?

Palestinians have their freedom of choice and they are blowing it.

socialists only believe in democracy when the people are smart enough to vote for socialists.
When they vote for anyone else, democracy has to be "fixed" so that it produces the correct results.

Bayam is an obvious member of the reality based community. You know, the one that is second star from the right and in the Twilight Zone. As for Carol, I guess it sounded fantastic when she wrote it and lost a lot when read.

The real truth of the matter is bayam, like all deluded libs, feels that certain people must be taken care of because they can't do it themselves. For a long time (and still going) American leftists think it is black people here in the USA. Now its all the brown people throughout the globe.

The bleak conditions he ascribes to are a direct result of generations of Arab, yes Arab, indifference to the plight of their Pali 'brothers'. The West has thrown billions of dollars at them only to see their 'leadership' take it for themselves (ask Ms. Arafat if you can find her in Paris). To the average Pali the best friend he has is the West and Israel, even tho he doesnt know it.

As for that walk in Iraq, if the war was fought as a war instead of worrying about liberal sensibilities, you know, like shoot to kill without calling a JAG for starters, I'd walk anywhere in Baghdad right now. As it is, I'm limited to Kurdistan and the Shatt al Arab.

O, and its true, liberals are the biggest racists and bigots breathing; direct descendant of the pre-Civil War Dems to the KKK Dems to the Dem filibusterers of the Civil Rights movement. You're known by your company.

Section 9: I could care less.

As to Condi Rice, Drudge took care of her a few weeks ago, when he ran the Harry Belefonte clip.

And, what I've said about Olmert is something you could observe as well. HE PLAYS THE "WEAK HAND."

By enabling lackluster Labor and Kadima members to get TOP PORTFOLIOS IN HIS GOVERNMENT, he gave himself some benefits. In other words? When you OWN such a wonderful portfolio, and you know the voters will never give you this opportunity, again ... You don't race out of the government.

While, yes. Israel's known for watching governments fall every two years. Heck, Labor, when it was in a better position, took joy in bringind down Arik Sharon's first government! Heck, Foad Ben-Elizer and Dahlia Itzik smiled for the cameras, as they signed the paperworok to bring Sharon's government down.

Then? There were new elections. And, Arik Sharon did even better. (If he didn't have his stroke, we wouldn't even be talking. Olmert was just in the background in Sharon's government. But Sharon did NOT want Shimon Peres in "Seat #2.")

Up ahead? Olmert's gonna make life tough for Livni. Depending on who wins the Labor race, now; going on between Ayalon and Barak; Olmert's already announced the "new" anticipated portfolio distribution.

Olmert also announced that MK Haim Ramon will be selected to "negotiate" with the palestinians. And, Omert did this to stick a pencil in Livni's eye. Since "discussions" with foreigners comes from her portfolio.

Will this go down like medicine? Will there be gagging sounds? You think most doctors care?

What I've learned from Olmert is that a master politician can play a "weak hand." And, do rather well.

So far? Olmert's survived.

One of the reasons Olmert's coming to DC has to do with this "new reality" hitting Bush. In the White House. Because a lot of James Baker's games was to weaken Olmert. Didn't get a glove on him, yet.

Meanwhle, Russia's just given Iran some of the nuclear materials it needs to proceed "quicker." There's a lot of nuclear materials, now, out that way. From Pakistan, that's rocky. To India that built their own nukes as a response to Pakistan.

Even down to the worries China gets from the lunatics in korea's north.

Not only do accidents happen, the world's also known Vesuvius could blow its top. Taking out whole towns and cities. While for all we know? There was once an Atlantis. It went down.

With Israel advertising that it has a "new eye in the sky" ... specifically going over Iran, and the rest of the Mideast every 90 minutes; there are updates on what's going on ... even underground. What kinds of clues could you buy?

What are you looking for?

Underground stuff needs "escape valves" where air can get out to the atmosphere.

And, you just never know what Olmert will share with the boob in the White House. While I'm sure he will be very polite! (Heck, Arik Sharon used to be downright flirtatious with Condi! Telling her she had beautiful legs; and all.)

Diplomacy, however, is an artful, but fake, dance.

It's Olmert's feather in his cap that Bush actually invited him, here. When it comes to what the press has been reporting? Wise to take that stuff with all the salt your heart can handle.

It's funny to see the right wingers to nuts when confronted by a moderate voice based on an actual understanding of world history. I'm about as liberal as the Republican governor I helped elect, Schwarzenegger.

At least you're consistent enough to adamantly defend all the failures of Bush that you will always confuse with the workings of democracy.

Democracy doesn't take root when a foreign power imposes it from the outside. One of these days, you might actually understand how the real world works.

Bayam is suffering from extreme effects of cognitive dissonance. Bayam believes that Palestinians are the oppressed of the earth who are exploited by the evil Zionists and their American neo-con (bad Jew) backers. When he sees them tearing each other apart for the right to kill Jews he finds his basic political assumptions falling apart. You see, if the Palis are really the villains of the story then all his gentile socialist “friends” really are anti-Semites, i.e., they are playing Bayam as a fool. As we all know “Field Marshal” Bayam is the wisest person on the board and therefore he can’t be a fool. So in his mind it must be the evil Bushhitler administration that is the cause of a Palestinian Civil War.

In the end Bayam is not opposed to just representative government for brown people. Like any good socialist he is opposed to elections for all people. If you give the masses the right to choose there own government they will eventually make a wrong choice … Lincoln over McClellan, Nixon over McGovern, Reagan over Carter and Mondale, Elder Bush over Dukakis, Younger Bush over Gore and Kerry. Look what happened in France over the past month, Sarkozy not only beats down the socialists for the Presidency, the voters gave him a mandate to dismantle socialism.

As long as we are talking about regional terrorists, don't forget the Son of Irgun standing nearby.

Funny, I thought the PA was negotiated into existence, after Israel started dealing with the PLO. And then Israel negotiated a withdrawal from Gaza, leaving governance up to the Palestinians themselves. Didn't realize the US forced them to have two plitical parties: Fatah & Hamas.

I know that for many people, this is simply a story about a land and a people they will never see or know, but for me, this story is very real, and very, very sad. I lived in Jerusalem (and visited Jordan and Egypt while there) for three months, until the Second Intifada happened (I was in the streets of Jerusalem when it broke out, btw, and I literally did not think I would survive the day.) We had to go back home for our own protection. Actually, we went up to northern Israel first, to the Sea of Galilee, and lived there for three weeks, hoping that things would calm down and we could go back to Jerusalem. They never did, and we eventually went home.

For me, watching this story unfold breaks my heart. There are many good people who live there and care very strongly about their country. I just wish there was something I could do to help them. I know that there isn't, though - this is their choice and we cannot make it for them. It tears at me, nonetheless.

Hava
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Funny, I thought the PA was negotiated into existence, after Israel started dealing with the PLO. And then Israel negotiated a withdrawal from Gaza, leaving governance up to the Palestinians themselves. Didn't realize the US forced them to have two plitical parties: Fatah & Hamas.

Re: Civil War

1) Sharon was brilliant to pull out of Gaza: as noted above, it exposed the true nature of Fateh/PLO

2) Every bullet fired, every casualty taken by the Pallies is one less that can eventually be used against the Israelis

3) Hamas outguns and outfights Fateh- Bush and Olmert know this. Why else would Israel consent to the arming of Fateh? Keep the kettle boiling...

Er, sorry for the double post -- internet connection was on the fritz for a minute.

Cap'n Ed: Perhaps the Palestinians will grow a spine and force an end to the terrorism.

Easy to say when you're 6,000 miles away.

Am I the only one who sees the Palestinians simply reaping the whirlwind by electing a bunch of terrorists as their leaders, and then having another group of terrorists use terror tactics to take over from the first group of terrorists? Why does this outcome surprise anyone?

I'm not exactly weeping here over this development. But Israel is going to have to step up and go clean out Gaza eventually, lest the strip become the launchpad for those Iranian WMDs.

Forty years after the Six-Day War, it's time for Israel to go back into Gaza.

You'd almost have to think that Olmert's disengagement policy was created to give the Palestinians enough rope to literally hang themselves with.

So here is what Erakat tells CNN:

Erakat conceded that there are "multiple authorities" in Gaza, making control over the fighters a difficult issue.

"I don't think we have an authority even there -- we're not independent, we're under occupation, we cannot even breathe in Gaza," he said.

So can someone tell me who is occupying them? Would that be Syria or Iran? Can't be the Israelis..they left a while ago.

Abbas was NEVER in gaza! And, he used to hate the instructions he'd get (while he was taking the money); that it was "his" job to show up, there.

On the other hand? Dahlan was supposed to be the "strong man of gaza." But there's been plenty of interference with the money!

Now, the most mischievious man in town, there? General Dayton. Who had been trying to get the Israelis to "tear down their checkpoints." And, to give guns and rifles to Abbas. It's also true that General Dayton saw to it that Abbas' men got "training to fight" ... off site. Somewhere.

And, the "biggest surprise?" (Well, not to Olmert. But to the putz in the White House, I'm sure. Is that gazoo fell to the strong armed guys. Hamas. Haniyeh, etc.

Lots of dead men on "both sides." And, as far as I'm concerned I'm rooting for high scores to borth sides.

And, why is this ongoing? If I had to guess? There are PA problems in Lebanon, not discussed. And, way under-reported.

While at least "only" one PA camp in Lebanon has deteriorated. When it tried to move to some of the 11 other camps; there were "stops" put into place.

The other thing? Lebanon has an agreement with the PA, to never go into any of the palestinian camps in Lebanon. While none of the inhabitants of these camps can actually get Lebanese citizenship. THIS is the fuse Assad attempted to ignite. First, off, he didn't think the Lebanese Army would fight. And, he probably didn't count on the Americans deliverying a lot of war armaments to Beirut.

To offset this, not to be forgotten, Putin just gave Iran more nuclear enrichment materials.

While the new overhead orbitting platform Israel put up in the sky ... It can see labels on bottles that are on the ground.

So Israel doesn't need the pentagon, which is full of freaks like general Dayton; holding back information.

Oh. And, yesterday, in that cheering crowd that embraced Bush, SOMEONE STOLE HIS WATCH. Right off his wrist. Gosh, those Albanian pickpockets sure aren't shy!

Of course, the ancient media is no longer giving any coverage.

So it's up to you to figure it out.

As to what's happened in gazoo? Even arafat kept his toe-hold in Ramallah. So when Bush says he wants to see gazoo and the West Bank "attached," it's too bad for him. But the facts on the ground beg otherwise.

Olmert's holding his own. He's not about to stick his hands in and lose his watch, either.

Even the world of "photo-op's" has been falling apart on the Net.

Lightwave:

The Israelis won't be gong back to Gaza. It is too much trouble and they, like us, lack the ability to suspend the rules of civilized warfare long enough to win. Egypt will be the one to put an end to the violence because when it comes down to it Mubarak won't really give a crap about "civilized" rules of warfare. He will do what is necessary to put an end to Hamas. The world will care about his treatment of the Palestinians about as much as they care about the Lebanese army's actions against the Al Queda terrorists. The world thinks it ok for Arabs to kill each other outside of the rules of war.

Remember what happened to the Palestinians after the Black September crisis in Jordan in 1970. King Hussein killed more Palestinians in a couple of weeks then the Israel has during its entire existence. Most of the civilized world cheered him on as he drove the trailer park trash of the Arab world into Lebanon.

Savages all ... close the borders, kill anyone trying to leave and let them starve ... the world would be a better place absent the likes of these ignorant savages ...

Doesn't it seem likely that sooner or later, even though they won't ever run out of bullets, they'll run out of food and water and simply starve to death? Although I must say I do like the idea of Egypt stepping in, stomping on everything in sight, and saying, "Stop it RIGHT NOW!" You know Saudi Arabia will pay for it if Egypt does agree go do it.

Shouldn't be a long drawn out affair - Hamas will win control in a few weeks (send more weapons Assad and AhmAJewHateradad!) and then the real assault of the Summer will begin - on Israel. I've been predicting for months now that Hezbollah will dismantle the Lebanese army and attack Israel from the North while Hamas will mount the attack from Gaza and other points in Palestine and finally, Assad's Syrian crew will go in through the Golan Heights.

It's gonna be a Summer to remember - I hope everyone has read up on The Revelation To John.

If , and that's a big if.....Israel gets a bit of help from the West...well, then we'll all find out JUST how far along Iran is with those nukes, won't we?

The PA was never in gaza! Arafat and his "fatah" were West Banker's, all.

The rip-off? General Dayton has shoved MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into Abbas' pocket! Worse than that. And, even separate from this demand of Israel to "turn over guns and bullets to Abbas, for a gaza assault ... Is that Abbas NEVER demanded anyone actually fight!

So? The Jerusalem Post is reporting that Hamas took its 15,000 strong military and attacked the Fatah "presence" in gaza. While those Fatah members kept asking Abbas for "halp." Instead? Abbas has been calling for a cease fire.

If it's all about money? Both the eygptians and Abbas did well. American spent millions!

I have no idea what sort of reputation General Dayton will have after this is over; but in miltary parlance "he lost." He was "halping" Abbas.

And, just like President Bush lost his watch to a pickpocket, in the crowds of Albania; General Dayton dropped some serious money, here.

Timed well for Olmert's trip. Since whatever harms James Baker would like to deliver; he's delivering them from the ropes. Just like he managed to do to Dubya's dad.

What does it mean that Hamas has proven that it is in charge of gazoo?

It means "terrorism isn't fought like conventional wars." In a conventional theater these terrorists would all be dead terrorists.

Israel's just on the side-lines.

And, if you followed the recent "break through" ... where Hamas used the disquise of a TV truck, to break through the fence ... The Israeli outpost was EMPTY. It was made to look real. But the reason there was no kidnapping of an Israeli theater; is because a lot of the stuff the Jews are doing, they're setting up backstage. Like a bunch of magicians.

Barak probably won the Labor contest. Though, it's no surprise that there was "ballot stuffing." And, voters voting without ID. The numbers are NOT impressive! Barak got about 36,000 votes. Ayalon got about 31,000 votes. In a country of 6-million people, it's hardly likely the Labor party is doing much more than standing on its last legs.

Less is known about what's happening in Lebanon. In that there's not enough reporting going on. But the terrorists are very busy travelling. If they're not in Irak, they're transported into various palestinian camps. And, some have been killed. Others? Some will get killed, ahead.

What cards will Israel play, ahead? Well, the new defense minister is gonna be Ehud Barak. I'll guess that at some point Israel deals with the gazoo infestation by shutting off the electricity. Or doing some heavy damage to the Hamas facilities; since they're not part of the General Dayton "insurance" coverage. Oh. And, the eygptians are FURIOUS! They fronted the "troop training" for Fatah! While Abbas cleaned up.

And, the first man who got frozen, and wouldn't move, was Abbas. Will Mideast "justice" show up?

Will Bush's wrist watch be sold on eBay?

Stay tuned.

The PA was never in gaza! Arafat and his "fatah" were West Banker's, all.

The rip-off? General Dayton has shoved MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into Abbas' pocket! Worse than that. And, even separate from this demand of Israel to "turn over guns and bullets to Abbas, for a gaza assault ... Is that Abbas NEVER demanded anyone actually fight!

So? The Jerusalem Post is reporting that Hamas took its 15,000 strong military and attacked the Fatah "presence" in gaza. While those Fatah members kept asking Abbas for "halp." Instead? Abbas has been calling for a cease fire.

If it's all about money? Both the eygptians and Abbas did well. American spent millions!

I have no idea what sort of reputation General Dayton will have after this is over; but in miltary parlance "he lost." He was "halping" Abbas.

And, just like President Bush lost his watch to a pickpocket, in the crowds of Albania; General Dayton dropped some serious money, here.

Timed well for Olmert's trip. Since whatever harms James Baker would like to deliver; he's delivering them from the ropes. Just like he managed to do to Dubya's dad.

What does it mean that Hamas has proven that it is in charge of gazoo?

It means "terrorism isn't fought like conventional wars." In a conventional theater these terrorists would all be dead terrorists.

Israel's just on the side-lines.

And, if you followed the recent "break through" ... where Hamas used the disquise of a TV truck, to break through the fence ... The Israeli outpost was EMPTY. It was made to look real. But the reason there was no kidnapping of an Israeli theater; is because a lot of the stuff the Jews are doing, they're setting up backstage. Like a bunch of magicians.

Barak probably won the Labor contest. Though, it's no surprise that there was "ballot stuffing." And, voters voting without ID. The numbers are NOT impressive! Barak got about 36,000 votes. Ayalon got about 31,000 votes. In a country of 6-million people, it's hardly likely the Labor party is doing much more than standing on its last legs.

Less is known about what's happening in Lebanon. In that there's not enough reporting going on. But the terrorists are very busy travelling. If they're not in Irak, they're transported into various palestinian camps. And, some have been killed. Others? Some will get killed, ahead.

What cards will Israel play, ahead? Well, the new defense minister is gonna be Ehud Barak. I'll guess that at some point Israel deals with the gazoo infestation by shutting off the electricity. Or doing some heavy damage to the Hamas facilities; since they're not part of the General Dayton "insurance" coverage. Oh. And, the eygptians are FURIOUS! They fronted the "troop training" for Fatah! While Abbas cleaned up.

And, the first man who got frozen, and wouldn't move, was Abbas. Will Mideast "justice" show up?

Will Bush's wrist watch be sold on eBay?

Stay tuned.

Any other sentences that give you the vapors, Hymas? Or is it just the one?

so wait are the palestinians just freedom fighers yearning to be free so that they can form their own democracy in the heart of the middle east,therefore israel is bad or are the palis just not ready for democracy, especially since the world is trying to go for that whole two state solution, and lord knows we can't have democracy or govt imposed from without, and they're not ready for it.

Great, does this mean the left will get off their anti israel kick already? Or is this just bayam arguing out of all sides of his mouth?

"FredRum": Any other sentences that give you the vapors, Hymas? Or is it just the one?

Vapours, Fred? If I got vapours from every reprehensible calumny on the web, I wouldn't have time for anything else. As it is, I limit myself to dealing with one at a time.

I'm sure, however, that your efforts to divert attention from the message to the messenger are appreciated in some quarters.

Until the West learns to fight a total war again, none of this will end.

War is the answer; a crushing merceless war till enough blood is shed that the Gazagoos cry 'enough'.

Unfortunately, Israel, the US or any Western power for that matter has lost the fine art of victory by total destruction.

Too bad because cancer consumes all the tissue around it unless it's excised.

...and for those of us who aren't "6,000 miles away"...?

At the rate the fighting is going, Hamas will have crushed Fatah by the end of the month, if not sooner. Fighting will spread into the West Bank. The result? Iran will control Gaza and the West Bank by proxy and yes, Fight4TheRight has the idea.

Iran, Syria, and Lebanon are waiting for the smoke to clear and the last of the Palestinians not on board with the plan to be removed from the equation. The assault on Israel is imminent. This time it'll be a lot more than just Katyusha rockets raining down.

How far will Israel go in order to defend itself? How far is the US ready to go in order to defend Israel right now? The Iranians are ready to test both theories and will do so in a matter of months, if not weeks.

Iraq was just Act II. Act III is about to open.

swabjockey05: ...and for those of us who aren't "6,000 miles away"...?

Well, you're in a proportionately better position to show the rest of us how simple courage can disarm well armed, well funded militias who don't particularly wish to be disarmed. Should you choose to do so, I (and, I'm sure, many others) will be most interested to learn of your experiences.

You may wish to practice on downtown Minneapolis, which I understand is considered to be quite dangerous.

James,

You mean kind of like how most of our forefathers defeated a well armed, well trained, well provisioned army of British regulars with little more than courage and "home defense" muskets?

The most dangerous thing in the world is a man ready to die for his principles, whether that man is an American or a Palestinian. The fact that you think they're too poor, weak, or stupid to fight for their own freedom is rather revealing.

Not everyone in the world is a coward.

k2aggie07: The fact that you think they're too poor, weak, or stupid to fight for their own freedom is rather revealing.

I confess to some bewilderment as to how you arrive at such a conclusion regarding my thoughts. It was to protest against just such indefensible impediments to understanding and civil discourse that I joined this discussion.