June 14, 2007

Harry Reid Calls Military Commanders Incompetent (Updated and Bumped: Reid Confirms It Himself)

Be sure to read the updates.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid showed his support for the American military by calling two of its top leaders "incompetent". Pandering to liberal bloggers, Reid made the comments in explaining his strategy to make Republican Senators sick of voting on the Iraq war and bludgeoning them into declaring defeat:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, "incompetent" during an interview Tuesday with a group of liberal bloggers, a comment that was never reported.

Reid made similar disparaging remarks about Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said several sources familiar with the interview.

This is but the latest example of how Reid, under pressure from liberal activists to do more to stop the war, is going on the attack against President Bush and his military leaders in anticipation of a September showdown to end U.S. involvement in Iraq, according to Democratic senators and aides.

Reid, who was bashed by Republicans for suggesting earlier this year that the Iraq war was "lost," is lashing out at top commanders while putting the finishing touches on a plan to force a series of votes on Iraq designed exclusively to make Republicans up for reelection in 2008 go on record in favor of continuing an unpopular war.

So Harry Reid, the man who couldn't get a supplemental spending bill completed in less than 108 days, is calling Pace and Petraeus incompetent.

That's the same Harry Reid who couldn't get the Democrats' "100 Hours" pledges to fruition in over 120 days and counting. In fact, this is the same Majority Leader that has led the least-accomplished session of Congress in a generation.

And just for the record, it's the same Harry Reid who insisted that he would never bring back the immigration bill if it failed its cloture test -- and then tried for a second cloture, declaring that also a "final" action -- and lost again.

That's the man calling Pace and Petraeus incompetent.

Got it.

UPDATE: I almost forgot -- the same Harry Reid who voted to confirm Petraeus in January! (h/t: CQ commenter brainy435)

UPDATE II and BUMP: John McCain takes Reid to the woodshed:

It's incredibly disappointing that Harry Reid would make such disparaging remarks about both the highest ranking officer in the U.S military and the commander of our troops in Iraq. Generals Pace and Petraeus are two leaders who have spent their entire lives in service to their country and Senator Reid needs to clarify his criticisms, which can only be described as highly inappropriate and regrettable.

Besides, if the Senate Majority Leader thinks that two top military officials and Presidential appointments have shown incompetence, shouldn't he initiate impeachment proceedings? Or does Harry believe that he should leave American troops in the command of incompetent commanders?

UPDATE III: Greg Sargent says The Politico got this one out of thin air:

The story has already sparked an uproar, and the conservatives have jumped all over it. It was linked on Drudge, and John McCain sent out a press release attacking Reid over it. And White House press secretary Tony Snow use it to hammer Reid as anti-military in today's White House briefing. Snow brought up the Politico story himself, saying that it was "outrageous" for Reid to be "issuing slanders" toward commanders "in a time of war."

But we've just spoken with three of the prominent liberal bloggers who say they were on the call, and they all say they don't remember Reid saying anything like this. One flatly denies that he said it.

We'll see. I'm thinking that John Bresnahan wound up with a recording of the call, but if not, he'll have to establish some credibility on this.

UPDATE IV: I contacted John Bresnahan directly. He said that The Politico would not have any further statement on this story. He told me that he and The Politico stand behind the original reporting on the subject.

UPDATE V: Hot Air notes the genesis of this story. Bob Geiger was on the call, and had this quote:

Here’s exactly what Reid said:

“I guess the president, uh, he’s gotten rid of Pace because he could not get him confirmed here in the Senate… Pace is also a yes-man for the president and I told him to his face, I laid it out to him last time he came to see me, I told him what an incompetent man I thought he was.”…

Sounds like Bresnahan had it right. One could also interpret that as Reid told Bush he was incompetent, but it doesn't flow with the quote. I'd say Sargent owes Bresnahan an apology.

UPDATE VI and BUMP: "Three or four" of Sargent's sources couldn't confirm Bresnahan's story, and so it was supposedly false. How about if Harry Reid confirms it?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed Thursday that he told liberal bloggers last week that he thinks outgoing Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace is "incompetent."

Reid acknowledged similarly disparaging Army Gen. David Petraeus, head of Multinational Forces in Iraq.

But Reid, whose comments to bloggers first appeared in The Politico, also told reporters: "I think we should just drop it."

I'll bet he does. I'll bet Greg Sargent thinks so as well. How could all of the bloggers who sat on this call miss this quote, and then so vociferously deny Reid said it? I'd say they all owe Bresnahan an apology. (h/t: CQ readers Del Dolemonte and Steven Den Beste)


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Comments (83)

Posted by Scott Malensek | June 14, 2007 7:19 AM

Surely this will help Sen Reid's poll numbers. Maybe he'll even get as high as President Bush's!

Posted by Lightwave | June 14, 2007 7:25 AM

At this point Harry Reid's stupidity is the best weapon the GOP has in Congress. In six months the man's name has become synonymous with "ineffective leadership", "terrible judgment" and "horrendous gaffes".

Harry, here's a free clue. When your approval rating in six months is lower than Bush's has ever been in six years, you might be doing something wrong.

This statement might actually drop Congress into the single digits. For the love of God, man. Resign.

Posted by brainy435 [TypeKey Profile Page] | June 14, 2007 7:26 AM

Even giving Reid the benefit of the doubt that Petraeus is incompetant (which I can't believe) why would Reid vote to confirm a man he viewed as incompetant, as he did in January of this year?

Posted by hunter | June 14, 2007 7:27 AM

Reid -
The Senator from Al Qaeda. The Senator ready at all times to help the enemy. The Senator who is, when not too busy doing illegal land deals and covering them up, doing nothing at all as a leader of the Senate.
The Senator who is turning the Sneate into a bigger joke than usual.

Posted by Baxter Greene | June 14, 2007 7:36 AM

I am having a hard time telling the difference between Harry
Reid and Al Sadar when they speak.It is time to call out the
Dems for the gutless incompetence they have shown since
they voted for this war.
Stop the war on Bush.
Fight the war on terror.
We need to come together to stop the Caliphate now or
retreat and suffer genocide and economic suicide.
They want to kill all non-muslims,not just Republicans.

Posted by Karen [TypeKey Profile Page] | June 14, 2007 7:36 AM

I never believed I would loathe a Senator more than I loathed Daschle. Surprise, Surprise.

When I see him with Pelosi, I just want to Puke. How can these people live with themselves? They must hate America with a burning passion. They are doing everything they can to destroy our country.

Posted by onlineanalyst | June 14, 2007 7:44 AM

The words honor and honorable service are not in Harry Reid's lexicon.

Posted by KauaiBoy | June 14, 2007 7:52 AM

This treasonous bastard should be tarred and feathered and then put on trial for sedition. I would also settle for a good old fashioned lynching.

Posted by fdcol63 | June 14, 2007 7:53 AM

If nothing else, both Pace and Petraeus possess a level of CLASS that neither Reid or Pelosi will ever have.

Posted by KauaiBoy | June 14, 2007 8:03 AM

This treasonous bastard should be tarred and feathered and then put on trial for sedition. I would also settle for a good old fashioned lynching.

Posted by Continuum | June 14, 2007 8:05 AM

Shame on Reid for saying that the "emperors have no clothes".

Doesn't Reid see all the overwhelming success we've had in the last 4 years?

And, in another 6 months the Iraqis will be throwing candy and flowers at us . . . instead of IEDs.

Posted by docjim505 | June 14, 2007 8:18 AM

Give the libs a little more time and they'll start throwing dogs**t on returning GI's, just as they did duing the halycon days of the Vietnam War.

Scum of the earth. Absolute scum of the earth.

Given that military is well-regarded around the country (except by liberals), attacking uniformed officers as "incompetent" isn't going to endear Dingy Harry to very many people. The fact the he voted to confirm Petraeus just a few months ago SHOULD make him look like an utter hypocrit, but his liberal supporters aren't too picky about that kind of thing.

Posted by CatoRenasci | June 14, 2007 8:18 AM

There has been a reluctance on the right to openly question the patriotism of the Democrats in Congress -- comments like this by Reid should result in the gloves coming off and the Republicans undertaking a full scale assault -- using their statements and behavior going all the way back to Vietnam -- on the leading unpatriotic anti-American Democrats.

Moreover, while Senators and Congressmen are protected for what they say on the floor under the 'speech and debate' clause, the remarks they make in public outside of Congress are not. They should be held to account.

Posted by rbj | June 14, 2007 8:19 AM

Sure Continuum.
Ever Der Speigel is noticing that more and more Iraqis who don't care for the US are working with us against Al Qaeda.

What were Nevadans thinking when they elected this grade A a-hole?

Posted by David L | June 14, 2007 8:21 AM

Look at like this, nobody ever called Dirty Harry Reid smart, but Dirty Harry just proved how smart Dennis Miller is.

Posted by AnonymousDrivel | June 14, 2007 8:23 AM

So Reid rebuffed the '06 "mandate" of the public to cut-n-run/walk/redeploy from Iraq, supported and led the Upper House to confirm Petraeus knowing the military strategy Petraeus would implement, railed on Rumsfeld for years and accepted SecDef Pace as a replacement appointee, cynically voted for refunding these poorly led troops after extensive, self-imposed delay, and now manages to assign incompetence?

Yep, Ed. Reid is redefining cognitive dissonance. He also seems to be massaging that political calculus to the point of treason. Isn't aiding and abetting your nation's enemies technically defined as a crime against the nation somewhere? Surely these public utterances to display domestic discord for enemy consumption and to impugn the top leadership of the military for political gain in order to effect "regime" change during a time of war tests limits of tolerance, doesn't it? - not to mention all of the steps he has tried to employ to undermine that same military previously.

Is there anyone in our government who can lead a conflict honestly and in earnest anymore?

Posted by mindnumbrobot | June 14, 2007 8:27 AM

But they support the troops!

Posted by NahnCee [TypeKey Profile Page] | June 14, 2007 8:30 AM

Dennis Miller discusses Mr. Reid's own competence admirably in this YouTube performance:


Note, too, that Continuum tries that old French tactic of trying to change the subject - rather than commenting on Reid's performance, s/he tries to change the subject to Iraq. Tres tacky when the Frogs do it, and equally pathetic (not to mention stupid) when the Libs do it.

Posted by Continuum | June 14, 2007 8:36 AM

I don't understand why Reid doesn't get it.

If we don't fight them there, then we'll be fighting them in Jersey City.

After all, it's not a civil war, it is us against Al Qaeda.

I mean Petraeus said that we'll see positive results in 6 months.

And, victory is just around the corner. OK, maybe according to Bush that corner is 50 years away like in South Korea, but if we just only back the generals and ignore what those commie pinkos on the evening news broadcast . . . .

Pay no attention to the general hiding behind the screen . . . BRB, I have to show how much I support the war, and put some more "Support the Troops" decals (made in China) on my SUV.

Posted by mbabbitt | June 14, 2007 8:36 AM

My letter to Senator Reid:
Re: your comments concerning General Peter Pace
There are few truly disgraceful things a Senator, especially the Majority Leader can do, but you continue to amaze me. "The pot calling the kettle black" is the appropriate idiom here for a Senator with a 19% approval rating and one who will sell his soul just to please the far Left loudmouths in his party's corner. This is below disgrace; you should resign senator for bad mouthing a man who put his life on the line for you and has continued to serve his country with devotion, passion, and honor. "Honor" -- look it up, Senator.

Posted by GOP08_DOA | June 14, 2007 8:51 AM

Apparently, hardcore righties will support ANYTHING that has "US Military" stamped on it regardless of the record of accomplishment. Ex-Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is still considered a hero to most republicqans. That about says it all.

Oh but, WAHHH, don't say anything bad about Pace because "we support the troops..."

Get over it people. Y'all can't be stuck on stupid forever.

Posted by Continuum | June 14, 2007 8:55 AM

News From Iraq Not Good, Not Final Either

It's headlines like these that only give comfort to the enemy.

We don't have to worry about that traitor Reid, when there are bloggers out there who issue the following.

"The Washington Post reports that a Pentagon statistical and operational analysis of the Iraq war delivers mostly bad news. Civilian deaths have begun to rise again, the Iraqi government has yet to engage on political reform, and violence has risen in some areas.

"This report will certainly fuel the pessimism that has overtaken the majority of Americans on Iraq."

(Excuse again, I have to get some more "Support the Troops" decals.)

Posted by MarkJ | June 14, 2007 8:56 AM

Dear Continuum,

"Shame on Reid for saying that the "emperors have no clothes". Doesn't Reid see all the overwhelming success we've had in the last 4 years? And, in another 6 months the Iraqis will be throwing candy and flowers at us . . . instead of IEDs."

Your comments are cute, and they're a nice try for "Snarks of the Year," but you still don't get a cigar.

Here are two "yes" or "no" questions for your consideration. Would you want:

a) Harry Reid in a foxhole next to you?


b) To buy a used car from him?


I didn't think so.

Posted by Jon | June 14, 2007 9:03 AM

Has Pace done a great job or something?

Criticizing the military isn't illegal yet.

Posted by Labamigo | June 14, 2007 9:04 AM

Maybe the GOP nominee in 2008 should run against Dub Yuh AND the Do Nothing Congress.

Posted by Keemo | June 14, 2007 9:08 AM

Docjim said all that needs to be said " absolute scum of the earth"..

I might add "in complete harmony with those who cut the heads off woman & children to reign in the public's attention"...

What's the difference between Reid and Daschle; absolutely nothing, they're both typical Democrats and follow in a long tradition of "hating any human in uniform, loathing all military personal, blaming America for the worlds problems while giving America NO credit for the good-will we spread around the globe". I've been watching this behavior for the past 30 years; different faces, same behavior. One need look no further than Ted Kennedy; a murderer; an out of control drunk; a total hypocrate, but yet he is above the law and idolized by Democrats throughout our country. This is the latest from NBC/WSJ polling data:

Also in the poll, only 23 percent approve of the job that Congress is doing, a decline of eight points since April. That number is within striking distance of the 16-percent rating Congress held in October 2006, just before Republicans lost control of both the Senate and House in last year’s midterms. Included in this poll is the current approval raring of Bush at 29 percent; due to his support of the shamnesty bill.

Is it any wonder why the American people's trust for our government is at record lows? We got some "serious fixing to do" if we are to right this ship. Our founders gave us the best government established in the history of mankind; problem is our elected officials and judges have been busy tweaking this government for the past 100 years or so. If it aint broke, don't fix it... We need to have the ability to impeach any elected official or judge who deviates from our constitution, and or fails to uphold our laws.

CORRUPTION, POLITICIANS, & JUDGES are commonly used in the same story line... We've become complacent with this reality. We also need to hold our media accountable for reporting facts rather than agenda driven propaganda. I don't mind the bias so much as the "lack of investiagtive reporting"... The biased reporting will take care of itself if those doing the reporting are held to professional standards for investigating and reporting the FACTS. I still remember the staged reporting that evolved around Katrina and other disasters; the reporter in the boat on a flooded street, only to find out that she was actually in 18" of water & the entire footage was a "staged lie"... That crew should have been banned from the industry!

Posted by NoDonkey | June 14, 2007 9:15 AM

Why isn't Harry Reid in a maximum security prison, with charming cellmates?

It's hard to be both Al Qaeda's and La Cosa Nostra's favorite Senator, but the mafia's bought and paid for clown has outdone the competition.

Harry Reid isn't fit to lick the mud off the General's boots.

Harry Reid is a walking, talking piece of garbage. Another high moment for the absolutely worthless, traitorous scum in the Democrat Congress.

Posted by Keemo | June 14, 2007 9:27 AM

“O’Malley firing ruled illegal over GOP ties”

The Democratic party crime wave continues,

A Maryland administrative law judge ruled this week that Gov. Martin O’Malley’s administration illegally fired a Republican state worker and ordered the worker to be reinstated with full back pay.

Judge Susan A. Sinrod ruled that Greg Maddalone was fired illegally by the O’Malley administration because of his political ties to former Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican.

Democratic lawmakers in 2005 accused the Ehrlich administration of illegally firing thousands of state workers because of their ties to previous Democratic governors.

After the Democrat-controlled General Assembly spent 13 months and $1.1 million of public funds to investigate the charges, Mr. Ehrlich was found to not have fired anyone illegally.

So, we have proof of the facts that a) Democrats happily go on partisan witch hunts with public funds and b) despite the insistence to the contrary, are intolerant and unethical.

I look forward to the outrage on the part of all of those claiming Bush “illegally” fired 8 US Attorneys. (Polipundit)

This is an example of the behavior that we have come to expect from Reid and his kind... This story didn't even surprise me; I have seen this story hundreds of times before. Do our laws have any meaning to the elite of this country?

Posted by Dan | June 14, 2007 9:40 AM

Given that we were assured by the Bush administration that foreign occupiers would be welcomed with open arms once Saddam was deposed, the military must have screwed up royally over the past four years, unless -- though it's unthinkable -- the Bush administration somehow sought to mislead us.

Posted by Fred | June 14, 2007 9:47 AM

Dirty Harry Reid strikes again. And yet their are apologists for Dirty Harry. You must really feel dirty about now.

Posted by azlibertarian | June 14, 2007 9:48 AM

My question is: If a group of liberal bloggers/journalists gets a quote from the Senate Majority Leader that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and one of our battlefield commanders are "incompetent", then what would justify their withhold that comment from their reporting?

This is a bit difficult to follow, as this is a story about the reporting of a story, but I would think that something this inflammatory would be included, given the worldviews of Reid and liberal bloggers. Related: How does Politico know that the comment was made, but not reported?

Posted by David M | June 14, 2007 10:06 AM

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Posted by hap | June 14, 2007 11:03 AM

Define "least-accomplished session of congress". I don't really disagree with the article, but I'm hopeful you are not implying that fewer bills passed is worse than more bills passed. I think we'd all be better off in most cases if congress would stay on vacation more and draft legislation less.

Posted by Eg | June 14, 2007 11:15 AM

Interesting that no one seems to notice the relative silence of the Euro's on the prospect's and/or the consequences of a precipitate US-Iraq pullout.

Given the Turks are withdrawing from the European Union's joint battle group with a good many Turks 'getting religion'; Nato's continued viability in serious doubt and Pakistan being Talibanized(I won't bother mentioning Lebanon, the Terrortories© Egypt or Algeria)...what the hell, lets give the Dem's what they want - a pull-out from Iraq.

Posted by Gary Gross | June 14, 2007 11:23 AM

Lightwave said:

Harry, here's a free clue. When your approval rating in six months is lower than Bush's has ever been in six years, you might be doing something wrong.

Harry's rating is already lower than Bush's. By alot. Harry's approval rating is as low as Scooter Libby's at 19 percent. Bush's approval rating is stratospheric compared with Reid's.

Posted by Mike M. | June 14, 2007 11:45 AM

Military awards of General Peter Pace:

Defense Distinguished Service Medal with two bronze oak leaf clusters (3 awards)
Defense Superior Service Medal
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star Medal with Valor device
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal with gold award star (2 awards)
Navy Commendation Medal with Valor device
Navy Achievement Medal with gold award star (2 awards)
Combat Action Ribbon
Navy Presidential Unit Citation with bronze service star (2 awards)
Joint Meritorious Unit Commendation with three bronze oak leaf clusters (4 awards)
Navy Unit Commendation with bronze service star (2 awards)
Navy Meritorious Unit Commedation with three bronze service stars (4 awards)
National Defense Service Medal with two bronze service stars (3 awards)
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with two bronze service stars (3 awards)
Vietnam Service Medal with silver and bronze service stars
Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
Korea Defense Service Medal
Sea Service Deployment Ribbon with two bronze service stars (3 awards)
Overseas Service Ribbon with three bronze service stars (4 awards)
Recruiting Service Ribbon
Military badges include:

Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
Parachutist Badge
Expert Rifle Shot Badge
Expert Pistol Shot Badge
Foreign decorations include:

Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation with Palm
Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Unit Citation with Palm
Order of the Sacred Treasures of Japan
United Nations Medal with bronze service star
Vietnam Campaign Medal with 1960 date bar

Military awards of Senator Harry Reid:

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Posted by docjim505 | June 14, 2007 12:25 PM

Mike M. again raises an excellent point. The libs have ranted and whined for years that Bush has no business leading a war or making any military decisions because he never served in the Armed Forces (flying fighter planes in the TXANG doesn't count, as far as they are concerned). Yet, Grand Admiral Reid and Commissar Pelosi, neither of whom (IINM) ever served a day in uniform, ROUTINELY make military assessments (broken record: we're losing), and the libs see no problem with this.

Hypocrisy, thy name is democrat.

Posted by Carol Herman | June 14, 2007 1:24 PM

Ya know what? I'm glad Harry has raised the stakes!

Because, from here. Where I sit. I see that there have been plays that ended up taking freaks like Reid down the toilet. Heck, I was an adult when LBJ flew off to Texas. Confused. Since inside the senate he was known as a guy who had clout. And, he held pairs of testicles in his hands to prove it.

So Harry Reid has taken a position, now, that you just can't camophlage.

Were there mistakes made in Irak? YOU BET!

For one thing, I think we've finally kicked the dead dog over; that said "we can't hit back" because terrorists surround themselves with civilians.

I beg to differ.

We CAN hit back! Bush, however, is way to cowardly to try to do much. And, this is why Harry Reid just bet the farm. Does Harry Reid remind you of Harry Truman? Well, Harry Truman got kicked home. And, didn't do any of us, here, in America, much in the way of favors. (All his successes? Were pre-planned by FDR. When we won, however, Harry Truman went CLUELESS.)

And, from the statistical polling data; we can see that UNPOPULAR PEOPLE GET ELECTED! So, you might ask, "how so, Tonto?" And, "why?"

Because politics is an insider's game.

About as "inside," now as being a typewriter salesman. Now, I"m not knocking typewriters. They were very handy dandy in their time.

Time's passed, though. But "thanks for the memories," as the song goes.

Bush's biggest mistakes will prove to be the ones he signed onto for Irak. He's been shoveling billions their way. And, it's the money that corrupts.

As if you didn't know that!

But if you were looking for signs of spring, what would you see poking up through the dirt? Hmm?

I see "choices." Small little buds. Where Americans are now, no longer getting newspapers delivered to their driveways. I've seen this multiply. (So it's not just my house that lacks a paper delivery, these days.)

I've seen oodles of business mistakes pass on by.

While you're looking at Harry Reid, how about C-BS's Moonves? Or Dan Rather?

How about noticing that Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton, are growing OLD. You don't see the age factor when you look at McCain?

Ya know, Cloris Leachman was a grand actress. Mel Brooks, whose also in his 80's, just refused to give her a starring part in his Young Frankenstein production. CLORIS LEACHMAN! And, she's fighting mad. (So she's challenged him to a knock out bout in the boxing ring.) I think he's gonna avoid it.

But that's life.

People grow old.

While you're supposed to fear Harry Reid?

I dunno. But I saw Harry Truman hightailing it out of DC, as soon as Ike showed up.

Sometimes, ya need enemies. Because when people watch politics they're looking for fireworks. Reid provides his share. While Bush just hides out in the Oval Office. Okay. He also invites the queen. And, soon he's gonna handshake Olmert; a man detested by the Bush leaguers. But it's just one unpopular man meeting another.

Nah. I never get surprised when unpopular people get elected. Like Arik Sharon said: It's a Merry-Go-Round. Even if on occasion you fall off. The rule is NEVER GET OFF ON YOUR OWN WILL POWER.

Oh, I also remember Vietnam. Remember? I was an adult when LBJ was president. I was there when people climbed aboard busses and marched on DC. And, that ain't happening, either.

I've known for a long time that ALL governments are bad. Because I read Tom Paine's COMMON SENSE.

Everything that's great about America came from PRIVATE ENTERPRISE! From the 19th Century's growth; which brought us railroads from coast to coast. To the TELEPHONE. To the computers. WE do it. Politicians are stage props. And, most of them are not honest.

Oh, the reason the GOP is in better shape? There are about a dozen men who are hosting possibilities for 2008. In spite of Bush! While the donks? All they've got is ONE PERCENT. And, Hillary. You think they can win with that? I think that it's like buying ENRON. And, I never touched that stuff!

Bush will leave office, eventually, with his tail between his legs.

The "love fest" with Olmert? If it was a wedding, you'd say "it's not gonna lest past its honeymoon. While Gazoo is no compliments to the Saud's.

Posted by MarkW | June 14, 2007 1:51 PM


The military was and for the most part still is welcomed with open arms through most of Iraq.

The fact that a handfull of Baathist dead enders and Al Queda faithfull can't deal with that, notwithstanding.

Posted by MarkW | June 14, 2007 1:57 PM

How long has the Northern Ireland situation simmered?
How long have the Spanish been dealing with the Basques, The Turks with the Kurds, any number of other secessionist movements throughout the world?

Posted by Carol Herman | June 14, 2007 3:07 PM

Karen, your comment's perfect!

Yes, it's good to remember how Daschle went flying out of his seat.

And, Yes. I think Reid's a gift. Because he's polarizing. And, he's stuck on this issue.

Can the donks win in 2008 with ONE PERCENT as their advantage?

I wouldn't want to earn less than a Treasury, when I invest. So I think the Ma and Pa Kettle Show is a stinker. It'll never open on Broadway!

That Reid isn't stopped? The arrow points to Bush. Who can't move his tongue. I guess it got stuck in the butt of the Saudis? Shows ya what that kind of kissing does.

While the Man Upstairs has been playing with us.

Every time Bush sets his site on his "two-state solution" ... the Sauds BLOW UP! You didn't know they've stuck their fingerprints into the Mideast dish?

I guess the Sauds have so much money they can't possibly lose it all. On the other hand? They haven't built much. As owning Dubya is just like the prize at the bottom of the CrackerJack box. (It's the dentists who made all the money on those sales.)

And, General Patraeus has his hands full.

I just hope we kick over the model that we can't shoot terrorists; because all terrorists have mothers.

It's the military handicap we need to displace.

While Karen's right. Reid's remarks just hand him Dasvchle's mantle.

Posted by Ed | June 14, 2007 3:27 PM

Is it not time for Lieberman to call enough and caucas with the GOP.

Posted by Carol Herman | June 14, 2007 3:38 PM

In the presidential contest ahead; I can already see the winning bumper sticker: NO MORE MR. NICE GUY.

Heck, Abraham Lincoln didn't solve his military problems with the "compromisers." Only when he let Grant and Sherman loose, did the North prevail.

And, that, by the way, is Guiliani's TICKET. He's never portrayed himself as a "nice guy."

Meanwhile? The GOP kiesters are firing their farting gun. Did you hear Dr. Frist? It's almost amazing to think this guy had the guts to do heart surgery. But, of course, he chose the senate, instead. And, now he's out in the boonies. Trying to get "traction." But for whom?

Even Newt Gringrich doesn't have the "nasty guy" credentials that are now needed in spades.

Posted by DwightKSchrute | June 14, 2007 4:30 PM

Man when is the right blogsphere gonna learn? I mean the Shaivo memo, Malkin and Dan Riehl calling the race for George Allen, Jamil Hussein, it goes on and on. How much egg on your face is enough? Are you guys just addicted to the taste of crow?

At this point 3 prominent bloggers who were actually on the call are on record as either flatly denying any comments like that were made by Reid or saying that they don't remember Reid saying that and nothing like that shows up in their notes.

I guess this is to be expected from a right blogsphere that's growing ever more desperate by the minute. Let's all set the countdown clock right now for the non-apology apologies that are sure to come saying "Well Reid has a record of denigrating the troops, and he's already said x, y, and z, so even if he didn't say it I'm sure he thought it."

Posted by The Man | June 14, 2007 4:39 PM


No they will never learn. Few people on this site read anything other than the drudge report or listen to anything other than Rush Limberger cheese!

If you like rattling the lions cage at the zoo, then to get a similar thrill all you have to do is mention to the wingnuts that a web site is reporting that WMD's have been found in Iraq, Hillary is doing anything or how Harry Reid doesnt support the troops!

Posted by Stormy70 | June 14, 2007 5:21 PM

Liberal bloggers don't have the best track record, as they have colluded in the past to smother news stories. They call it Townhouse or something similar, someone help me out. Kos heads it up, and he was telling the liberal blogs to starve the story of information. Reid said it, and they are trying to cover for him. Reid panders to the lefty blogs, like they are heading up his latest land deal.

Posted by Del Dolemonte | June 14, 2007 6:01 PM

GOP08_DOA said

(nothing worth quoting or responding to)

DwightKSchrute added:

"Let's all set the countdown clock right now for the non-apology apologies that are sure to come saying "Well Reid has a record of denigrating the troops, and he's already said x, y, and z, so even if he didn't say it I'm sure he thought it."

Huh? Please re-think and clarify this, as it makes absolutely NO sense.

The Man said:

"Few people on this site read anything other than the drudge report or listen to anything other than Rush Limberger cheese! "

LOL! Nice try. It may interest you to know that the liberal PEW research organization recently did a media survey, and this survey actually found that people who listen to Rush Limberger's show are more informed about news and current events than National Public Radio listeners (who are mostly college and university professors).

Posted by tree hugging sister | June 14, 2007 6:49 PM

Well, the Carl Levin comments are on the record.

A Democratic challenge to Gen. Peter Pace indicates that uniformed officers no longer are exempt from the partisan fire on Capitol Hill once reserved for civilian policymakers.

Why were the gloves on previously? Because the U.S. military does NOT send itself into battle ~ policy makers do that. Also (as I point out in my post) Article 88 of the UCMJ effectively muzzles a commissioned officer from responding in kind. His only reply to the scurrilous charges can be, "With all due respect ~ I followed my orders and gave counsel to the President/SecDef/insert politician to the best of my ability." He cannot even defend himself for decisions which were not his to begin with ~ there is no mechanism, but there ARE severe penalties. Every member of Congress knows this. (Remember the Dems' brouhaha when whiffs of anti-Clintonism floated over the Defense Dept? Those military members paid for making their opinions public.) And these despicable creatures intend to use the very thing that keeps the U.S. military unfettered by ideology and political loyalty against them to score unanswerable political points. I keep saying it's like shooting uniformed fish-in-a-barrel.

Posted by Del Dolemonte | June 14, 2007 7:16 PM

Steven Den Beste said:

Reid has confirmed the report:


I'm sure DwightKSchrute will be by to apologize any second.

What convinced me that Reid actually said it was when Greg Sargent claimed that three of the bloggers on the phone call claimed Reid never said it or they didn't remember his saying it.

Yet Sargent never told us who those people were, and never told us exactly how many bloggers in total were on the call in the first place. My guess is that the number of bloggers on the call was many times more than the three people Greg claimed to quote.

Posted by TallDave | June 14, 2007 7:19 PM

Still not as bad as what Kerry said.

Posted by tree hugging sister | June 14, 2007 7:21 PM

But Reid, whose comments to bloggers first appeared in The Politico, also told reporters: "I think we should just drop it."
Well, he's sure got the 'run away!' tactics down pat.

Posted by JorgXMcKie | June 14, 2007 7:30 PM

I never thought anyone would make me nostalgic for the days of Trent Lott's Leadership. Sheesh.

Posted by Mwalimu Daudi | June 14, 2007 7:45 PM

tree hugging sister wrote: Well, he's sure got the 'run away!' tactics down pat.

Reid is not running away - he is re-delploying.

Posted by onlineanalyst | June 14, 2007 7:49 PM

tree hugging sister: You zeroed in on the Reid remark that bothers me even more about that sleaze of a senator: "I think we should just drop it." Reid won't even own his own words and their consequences, despicable as they are.

This is a typical Reid stunt, as witnessed by his hanging up on reporters investigating the story of his questionable land deals. End of story, eh?

Reid says, "Nothing to see here, folks," and the complicit media develop deafness, blindness, and deep memory holes. Where is their bulldog tenacity in making government leaders accountable then?

Posted by Jeff R | June 14, 2007 8:00 PM


Watch as all the smug liberal jackasses "just let it drop" and deny they said anything in this thread. Ever.

Posted by Frank J. | June 14, 2007 8:10 PM

The denial just made this more entertaining. Now it will be hard to play this down as a non-controversial statement.

Posted by kingronjo | June 14, 2007 8:16 PM

I went over to read the guy who confirmed the quote, some liberal lunatic named Geiger. He tells us that the Hill failed Journalism 101 for reporting it. He takes the Reid stance, that the Senate Majority Leader calling the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the General leading the war 'incompetent' is not newsworthy. I bet he agrees that the terrorist plot on JFK belongs on page 37 also.

I say lets trust Harry, Nan and Hillary with our National Defense!! It will do wonders for our economy anyway, with all those new Arabic language learning schools and scimitar sharpening businesses popping up.

Posted by Jazz | June 14, 2007 8:18 PM

As many could guess, I'm no fan of either George W. Bush or the Iraq war (though I was a card carrying member of the GOP until Jan. 2005 for more than a quarter century.) But I will say from personal experience that Bob Geiger is about as partisan as they come and I don't consider him to have the credibility of a spoiled fifth grader when it comes to anything political. (I've been invited to his home for a "cocktail party" but did not attend. He later blew up at me after his first "interview" with Harry Reid because I told him he'd basically given Harry a BJ instead of asking him any of the hard hitting questions I'd like to hear about how the Democrats were acting just as badly as the Republicans during the election cycle and told me I was "no longer welcome" with his fold. That's just full disclosure.)

This story may not amount to a lot, but for what it's worth (as a former member of the military) I'd give Pace a hell of a lot more cred than Geiger.

Posted by Dan | June 14, 2007 8:38 PM


The "handfull of Ba'athist dead-enders" you describe have happily provided a literal dead end for 3,500 U.S. troops over four years, with their own end nowhere in sight -- hardly the matter of weeks or months promised by Rumsfeld and Cheney. According to public opinion polls (for what they're worth), a sizable majority of Iraqis resent the foreign military occupation, and according to the Iraq Study Group, that resentment is inspiring even more violence. The worse things get in Iraq, the better Petraeus and Pace tell Congress they're getting. Granted, once Saddam was deposed, no degree of competence could have prevented the disaster that ensued -- which everyone outside of the Bush administration and a few conservative think-tanks predicted. But the United State's current military leaders in Iraq would serve their country well to admit, as have many of their colleagues, that, as big as the problem of Iraq is, it has no military solution.

Posted by Joe Doe | June 14, 2007 8:55 PM

No worries - Reid & Co will outsource the armed forces to Mexic - Bush get his "LEGACY" that keeps him having visions at night, the cartels get to ship their drugs into intercontinental missiles, Reid gets the bribes from both the rich and the poor ... everyone happy.

At some point people will just stop paying taxes ... just like that, en mass - it will be just impractical to put everyone in jail ... I guess.

Posted by Joe Doe | June 14, 2007 8:57 PM

Forgot the link


It is back in full force, just the bribes went up (inflation being what it is these days).

Posted by bayam | June 14, 2007 9:16 PM

if the Senate Majority Leader thinks that two top military officials and Presidential appointments have shown incompetence, shouldn't he initiate impeachment proceedings

Reid may be as clueless an idiot as Bush. And while I think that Rumsfeld was incredibly incompetent, I wouldn't want to see this country go down the impeachment road again.

I'm not sure how much steam this issue will have with the voters, since most Americans think that war in Iraq has been a completely incompetent blunder from day one.

Posted by Joe | June 14, 2007 9:19 PM

Pace is incompetent! Just like Rummy, Wolfowitz,Feith, and Georgie. Why can't you wingnuts handle the truth? Iraq is a disaster, Vietnam revisited. Why do you think Pace wasn't re-nominated? duh! Hey wingers, hows that immigration bill going? Is Bush still your hero? Politico.....Fox News Lite

Posted by Scrapiron | June 14, 2007 9:37 PM

Liberal bloggers are after all 'democrats' and they only hear what they want to hear and lie about the rest. How many have came out with an apology? "0".

Posted by BD | June 14, 2007 9:49 PM

I'd say you guys defending Reid have the "incoherence meter" pegged.

Oh, and you owe some folks an apology for claiming the story was made up - - - now that Reid's confirmed it.

Posted by Fight4TheRight | June 14, 2007 10:06 PM

Del Dolemonte,

You do realize that GOP08_DOA, The Man, DwightKSchrute and Continuum are all the same person, don't you?

He comes here from time to time to create the grand illusion that there actually is more than one Liberal in the Land that can actually navigate to this website.

He's rather predictable. It's usually when one of the Dems really steps in it - he considers himself a "diffuser".....haha. Unfortunately, with Harry Reid as Majority Leader, he's been a busy boy here this year. (smirk)

Posted by smagar | June 14, 2007 10:19 PM

How, you ask, could all the liberal bloggers who participated in the conference call miss what Reid said?

Answer: they want to starve the story of oxygen. If they don't mention it, maybe it will die.

In cases like this, the liberal bloggers are much more cohesive that conservative ones. They'll kill a story that hurts their side.

Posted by largebill | June 14, 2007 10:28 PM

I'm not the biggest fan of the current president, but voted for him twice because he is far better than the other choice in 2000 and 2004. Having said that, he can earn a lot more respect from me and anyone else who has worn our countries uniform. He has a responsibility in this situation. The officers in question are prohibited from responding to the crooked politician from Nevada. The president needs to speak on their behalf. He needs to publicly and forcefully rebuke the senator who disparaged two men who have served our country for over 30 years each.

Posted by bayam | June 14, 2007 10:54 PM

How, you ask, could all the liberal bloggers who participated in the conference call miss what Reid said?

I don't think the comments were missed by liberal bloggers, who believe that blame for the grave miscalculations in Iraq can be spread far and wide. To them, describing those in charge of the war as incompetent is an underlying belief and assumption. As a result, to them it didn't sound like a newsworthy statement.

I doubt Bush will spend any time on this issue- he can't get any mileage out of discussing who's responsible for the serious mistakes in Iraq. As Rudy pointed out, there's a lack of leadership in this country and the blame ultimately lies with Bush, not the generals or the brave men and women fighting in Iraq.

Our military can decisively win any war, fought anywhere in the world except when this nation's leaders try and do it on the cheap and easy. If 400k American soldiers had been sent into Iraq per the Powell Doctrine, it's unlikely that the insurgency or al Qaeda would be operating in that country today.

Posted by Deb | June 14, 2007 11:47 PM

notice Joe's attempt at a slur:
"Politico.....Fox News Lite"
Yet, interestingly, Politico was, as I understand it, the only blog involved in the conversation that correctly reported Reid's jaw-dropping words. Somehow, the blogs gauche "couldn't recall" Reid's comment.
yep, fair and balanced THEY are, right? and they then have the audacity to sneer at and dismiss any information that Fox News (or even now, apparently, the centrist Politico???) might report??? because it doesn't fit their narrow agendas...
would that they open their minds and consider the possibility that they are missing the full stories oftentimes from their sources.

Posted by Steve J. | June 15, 2007 1:59 AM

Reid is correct about Pace.

A MAN would've resigned to protest Rumsfeld's bloody incompetence. Pace is just another in a long line of perfumed prnces who have let us all down.

Posted by The Yell | June 15, 2007 3:30 AM

"If 400k American soldiers had been sent into Iraq per the Powell Doctrine, it's unlikely that the insurgency or al Qaeda would be operating in that country today."

Not so, because they wanted 2:1 garrison to patrol ratios to cover the countryside, as in Vietnam. The cities were to be left to civilian authority. It's necon incompetents who are responsible for taking the fight to the enemy in the cities.

Posted by Eg | June 15, 2007 3:35 AM

It’s probably a good thing the consensus of the left think the War’s going badly and maybe, just maybe, it should remain that way.

Imagine yourself having schedule and participate in twice weekly, house-to-house searches for bodies of Democrat suicides were the War in Iraq going well?

What a grisly business that would be.

Posted by docjim505 | June 15, 2007 5:30 AM

Cap'n Ed wrote:

How could all of the bloggers who sat on this call miss this quote, and then so vociferously deny Reid said it?

Um, it's called "lying". You know: that thing libs claim Bush does constantly? O' course, THEY would NEVER bend, twist, or hide the truth!


Something the struck me yesterday when the story was cast into doubt is the fact that, even if Reid HADN'T said it, it is totally believable that he WOULD say it. This kind of vicious and unwarranted personal attack is completely in keeping with his (lack of) character. The man has absolutely no class, and I'm really starting to believe he has no brains.

Posted by swabjockey05 | June 15, 2007 6:35 AM

"Perfumed Prince", the moonbat says? LOL.

I've met the man...and I'd give two months pay to be there when the big mouthed "Steve J" got to tell that one to the General...face to face...LOL!!!

Posted by MarkW | June 15, 2007 9:06 AM


It doesn't take too many people to build and place bombs. Nor does it take much courage.

As to your polls, you really need to read the polls themselves, not what the Kos kids say about the polls. The polls say that the Iraqi people want the US troops out someday. But when asked to give dates, they usually give one multiple years in the future.

Hardly the seething resentment that you try so hard to believe is there.

Posted by Ron Kilmartin | June 15, 2007 2:48 PM

I'll match Pace and Petraeus's military records against Reid's any day: Score: 100 to zero. Reid never served in any of the armed services. What incredible gall. Even so, he has demonstrated that he has absolutely no knowledge of the art of war with his deliberate undercutting of troop morale and funding.

Posted by Del Dolemonte | June 15, 2007 3:12 PM

bayam says

"Our military can decisively win any war, fought anywhere in the world except when this nation's leaders try and do it on the cheap and easy."

If you leftists let us run this war the way we ran World War 2-including carpet-bombing of cities, etc-it would be done long ago.

Posted by Bill M | June 15, 2007 6:49 PM

But Reid, whose comments to bloggers first appeared in The Politico, also told reporters: "I think we should just drop it."

Harry Reid:

"Why yes, I did pass gas. And I think we should all just ignore the smell."

Posted by Palmer | June 19, 2007 9:42 AM

I would like to take Abe Lincolns approach to member of congress as in the following:

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."
Abraham Lincoln