Captain's Quarters -

Cap'n Ed wrote:

Hopefully at some point we will discover why so many foreign-born doctors were involved in this plot. It seems compelling to think that it's no coincidence.

Isn't it obvious? They wanted to strike a blow for the liberation of the Muslim people, who have been groaning under the iron heel of western colonialism and oppression since the Crusades.

Oh, and they also are concerned about global warming.

/sarcasm

Or maybe they REALLY don't like Britain's nationalized health care system.

/double sarcasm.

i know you're trying to diss moore (with jihadicko), but actually jihad-itis would make more sense.

seriously: this proves that national ID, income level, and education gave zero to do with WW4.

it's the koran, stupid.

It is both hilarious and scary. Maybe doctors can't build bomb triggers, but they surely know about germ cultures and torture...
I can't wait for the MSM spin...

the koran has spawned more death than mein kampf and almoist as much as das kaptal and mao's little red book.

we should regard islam as a religion only to the degree we regarded nazism and comunism as religions.

in fact, they are all dehumanizing ideologies which PREACH genocide and totalitarianism.

and ALL three of these ideologies must be vanquished for humanity to be truly liberated.

two down (more or less), and one to go.

TomB,

My thoughts exactly. Let's be thankful that they put their efforts into being the Bombers Who Couldn't Drive Straight instead of putting their medical training to a twisted use.

These doctors prove that this global jihadist movement/terrorism is not based upon "poor, ignorant muslims." Josef Mengelev and the WWII Japanese unit 731(heck, if you want, one could also point to the Tuskegee syphilis experiments) all show that medical doctors are not somehow all wonderful Albert Schweitzers, but rather people just like the rest of us. These are well-educated men, with above average incomes, able to live in the freedom of the West. And they still want to destroy us.

I'm not going to say that all of Islam is bad, but there is a virulent, violent form of it out there that has to be confronted. It has nothing to do with the West being insensitive or George W. Bush.

In what may appear counter intuitive at first, finding doctors involved is actually helpful and instructive. the naysayers, led by the john edwards types, would have you believe that this is a bumper sticker conflict ginned up by the cheney cabal. The sad truth is edwards gave voice to what is a very large group of people, a people who won’t admit it in public. The reality is, as it always has been, a global onslaught by radical islam, not the dispossessed, for world dominion. Absurd as the thought may be it still is our current state of affairs. while dispersed it nevertheless has iran as its “eye”. Sooner or later we will be forced to bring down the terror leaders of iran, sudan, syria, hamas, hezzbollah and al sadr. everyday these leaders sip their lattes is another day innocents worldwide perish as the calip-hate marches on.

the scary thought, what is it going to take to make us recognize we have no choice. clearly 9/11 was not enough

Clearly, professional profiling is in order.

/I'm just sayin'

It's going to be interesting to review the profiles of these doctors. Is it possible that certain ones are being fast-tracked through the Middle Eastern education system, perhaps earning legitimate degrees or perhaps not, but given high honor credentials to pad their résumés? A young graduate has less to lose, still retains a malleable mind to carry a warped ideology, and could be just bright enough as an intern to survive his job even if rookie mistakes are made during OTJ training.

Given the costs of health care and the push, particularly in socialized medicine, to ration those services, would not a cheaper labor force be welcomed to stretch those dollars? And would not foreign-educated (i.e. less industrialized, non-Western-centric background in this instance) medical services labor be considered an alternative, cost effective practice to handle basic health care?

Considering 1) the desire of Western states to expedite the import of cheaper labor and subsequently, with less scrutiny, open the floodgates to the higher-educated, 2) the diminished scrutiny a once-respected industry engenders from the public, and 3) the expectation by Jihadists that their trainees can figure out how to detonate a bomb, it seems that recruiting homicide doctors is the latest and greatest effort by the global Islamic terrorist network to bypass the filters increasingly (and successfully, I suppose) enacted to exclude enemies as this conflict proceeds.

I wonder if the pay scale for Western born and trained doctors serving their own place of origin just went up. I also wonder if profiling is permissible now or if that offense still trumps homicide bombers' expectations of privacy.

Curious days ahead.

Clearly, professional profiling is in order.

/I'm just sayin'

Let's be thankful that they put their efforts into being the Bombers Who Couldn't Drive Straight instead of putting their medical training to a twisted use.

How do we know they haven't? How long would it take a package or a letter to wend its way through the British mail system, to explode its gift of microbes upon being opened?

The American Congress has instituted strict scanning methods for everything received there but has Buckingham Palace, the House of Commons, Canada's Parliament, or Canberra's Government House?

OR the Stock Exchanges in New York, Tokyo, Paris or Hong Kong. With countries like South Africa still denying the existance of AIDS, what would it be like to try to stop the spread of a plague-like disease if it were to erupt simultaneously in Big Cities around the world?

All a terrorist would have to do is send an invitation to a free honeymoon to one selfish lawyer in Atlanta, and he'd carry it to NY, Paris, Prague and Montreal within a week's time. And then complain about being picked on while he died.

It’s an interesting coincidence that the initials “AMA” stand for both the “American Medical Association” as well as “Against Medical Advice.” (When a patient checks out of the hospital or clinic before treatment is completed, they are referred to as “going AMA – against medical advice.)

Yet while many are expressing Surprise that Doctors are being arrested in Great Britian and Australian as suspects in the recent bombings there, it’s no surprise to anyone who’s kept an ear open to the radical leftist statements of one of the most “progressive”, left-leaning, and anti-democracy groups in America today. This group pressures Congress, advocates the removal of Choice for patients, and wants dangerous drugs available to everyone who asks without a prescription, but wants you to have a prescription to by tobacco– and that’s in the U.S. alone Overseas in Australia, their branch there whines that it’s not their fault if their members are bombing London – the government should’ve checked better. Oh, and they’re “extremely disappointed” in that guy, too.

Who are these radical leftists?

The American Medical Association.

Just for starters, read the The AMA Comments on the Movie, "Sicko":

"Physicians grapple daily with the shortcomings of our U.S. health-care system, and we also marvel at the miracles that stem from its strengths. This movie addresses some of the core issues that AMA has been actively working on for years: the plight of the uninsured, the abuses of corporations that put profits over patients." . . . America’s health-care system is far from perfect, but by building on its strengths and expanding coverage to the uninsured, we can provide top quality health care to all Americans."

In short, the same old tired, failed HillaryCare and Ted Kennedy / John Kerry alternatives.

And, of course, we can’t have any competition with the traditional Doctor’s Office – we don’t want patients to have a Choice:AMA Seeks Probe of Retail-based Health Clinics

CHICAGO - The American Medical Association wants authorities to investigate whether quickie retail-based health clinics run by pharmacy chains pose conflicts of interest that put profits ahead of patient health . . . complaining the clinics interfere with the traditional practice of medicine. The AMA wants state and federal agencies to look into whether pharmacy chain-owned clinics located in the stores urge patients to get their prescriptions filled on site, which the AMA maintains would pose a conflict. It also said insurance companies should be banned from waiving or lowering co-payments only for patients who get treatment at store-based clinics.
A spokesman for Deerfield, Ill.-based Walgreen Co., which operates 63 clinics in its stores in six states, said customers aren't steered to Walgreen pharmacies, and are allowed to get prescriptions filled wherever they choose.

What do you want to bet that these ‘Retail health Clinics” also charge less than traditional doctors, too? God forbid we should save the patient some money.

Meanwhile in Australia (where one of the London Bombers was hiding), the Australian AMA Says, “Hey, It’s not OUR Fault – we NEED Immigrant Doctors!” (Apparently they treat the patients Australian Doctor’s won’t treat):

The arrest of a Gold Coast registrar (intern) in relation to a British terrorism plot should not reflect poorly on overseas-trained doctors working in Queensland hospitals, the Australian Medical Association said today. AMA Queensland . . .said the accusations made about the 27-year-old man were "extremely disappointing" but did not indicate a crisis in the health system.

Dr Cartmill said Queensland hospitals were dependent on international medical graduates who contributed a lot to healthcare in the state. He said it was up to the federal government to make the relevant character and background checks when people applied to live and work here.

He tried to bomb London and Glascow, and they’re “extremely disappointed”??? And they just allow their “international medical graduates” to waltz into Queensland hospitals without any oversight or background checks whatsoever – are you kidding me here?

Shucks, I’m in the wrong business. I’m going to forge myself a diploma and go to Queensland Australia tomorrow and become a doctor – they won’t check my background, OR my performance!!!

Feel like Lighting up to celebrate? Don’t – an Australian Pub Bans Signals a New War against Smokers:

SMOKING would be stubbed out in all public spaces and smokers would pay more for surgery - or even be refused it - under a radical plan to further crack down on smokers. Health bodies have hatched a blueprint to extend the bar ban to beer gardens and buffer zones around pubs, restaurants and cafes. And they want smokers barred from playgrounds, parks, beaches and even footpaths.

Adults who continued to smoke in homes or in cars containing children would be charged with a criminal offence under the plan. "Passive and second-hand smoking in cars and homes should be banned," AMA public health chairman Dr John Gallotta said. "It is a form of child abuse.”

Smoking is NOT Child Abuse – it’s an extremely poor health choice, but it’s a CHOICE. Patient’s should always have the right of choice.

(And No, I don't smoke.)

But that’s not just the opinion of the Australian AMA; the American AMA likes the idea as well:

"The American Medical Association (AMA) applauds today's Institute of Medicine (IOM) report that calls on state and federal governments to implement more aggressive policies to reduce tobacco use in the U.S.

"Among its recommendations, the IOM report calls for FDA authority to regulate the manufacture, sale, distribution, and marketing of tobacco products. The AMA continues to urge Congress to pass legislation to authorize effective FDA regulation of tobacco products, which would end the cruel irony that cigarettes are the most important preventable cause of death and disease in the United States and one of the least regulated products in our society.

So, under the AMA’s plan, you would need a prescription for a cigarette, cigar, or chewing tobacco. The AMA doesn’t recognize the patient’s right of choice, neither in these articles, nor the next:

And if it’s not bad enough the AMA has no more regard for Patient Choice than it would for a Lab Rat, the AMA Wants to Embed Radio Frequency Identification Chips In Patients Bodies just like they do animals in the wild:

The American Medical Association is considering implanting those radio frequency identification chips inside patients' bodies, to monitor recovery, keep track of rehabilitation, and warn of impending emergencies. Such noble purposes sound great on paper, but one needs to keep in mind that anyone with an RFID reader could have access to have such medical information. It doesn't take an evil genius to plan a hijack of sensitive info, so we hope that these sorts of chips have some sort of encryption on them.

Then there's the question of how to keep those tags from getting pushed around by the inside of the body. A bracelet might be taken off, but it doesn't move around very much when it's on your wrist. An embedded RFID tag, though, can certainly migrate throughout your body, perhaps causing trouble in your bloodstream or with internal organs and certainly being able to "hide" from the very medical staff who want to access them in the first place.

Notice how the article doesn’t say anything on whether the patients get any say on having the chip implanted? What, CHOICE isn’t a factor?

But when “Choice” means “pregnancy termination,” the AMA’s all for THAT: The AMA “Requests” Pharmacies Let Everyone Know if the Stock “Emergency Contraception” – and if they Don’t, Refer Them to their Competition!

The AMA voted to adopt new policy requesting that pharmacies use their website or other means to let patients know whether or not they stock and dispense emergency contraception and if a prescription is required. If a pharmacy doesn't dispense emergency contraception, pharmacies should indicate where emergency contraception can be obtained in their region. It's important that pharmacies let patients know whether they can access emergency contraception at their store and, if not, where they can go to get it."

“Emergency Contraception” is the new pseudonym for RU-486, the “Day After” pill. While it has been available for years overseas, it has only just recently been approved for use in the U.S. Nevertheless, it is an extremely dangerous drug, with several deaths attributed to it’s use, such as these women in Canada,">http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200109%5CCUL20010919a.html">Canada, Sweden,">http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/mar/04030903.html">Sweden, California,">http://media.www.westerncourier.com/media/storage/paper650/news/2003/09/29/News/Woman.Dies.From.Ru486-507259.shtml">California, In">http://www.lifeissues.org/ru486/deaths.htm">In Fact, here’s a list of TWELVE Deaths from RU-486 Misuse – and even proper use. And here’s a list of seven just in the U.S. Alone.

And the AMA wants to give this out without a prescription??? (But cigarettes – THEY need a prescription.)

And people are surprised that Foreign doctors can be radicals? Look no further than your own family physician and the national organization he belongs to – the AMA.

~~JD~~

Let's be thankful that they put their efforts into being the Bombers Who Couldn't Drive Straight instead of putting their medical training to a twisted use.

How do we know they haven't? How long would it take a package or a letter to wend its way through the British mail system, to explode its gift of microbes upon being opened?

The American Congress has instituted strict scanning methods for everything received there but has Buckingham Palace, the House of Commons, Canada's Parliament, or Canberra's Government House?

OR the Stock Exchanges in New York, Tokyo, Paris or Hong Kong. With countries like South Africa still denying the existance of AIDS, what would it be like to try to stop the spread of a plague-like disease if it were to erupt simultaneously in Big Cities around the world?

All a terrorist would have to do is send an invitation to a free honeymoon to one selfish lawyer in Atlanta, and he'd carry it to NY, Paris, Prague and Montreal within a week's time. And then complain about being picked on while he died.

Not to make light of the near tragedy but after reading several blogs re the doctors as terrorists and then some on Moore's "Sicko" the following question popped into my mind: What is so terrible about socialized medicine that these doctors turned to terroism?

{{Not to make light of the near tragedy but after reading several blogs re the doctors as terrorists and then some on Moore's "Sicko" the following question popped into my mind: What is so terrible about socialized medicine that these doctors turned to terrorism}}

Two words -- "Veterans Administration."

My wife grew up under socialized medicine. She had two routine surgeries in Europe that still bother her and left huge scars -- surgeries that are so routine here the patients lead completely normal lives thereafter. Plus she waited literally YEARS for these surgeries-- my own surgery last April was a two-week wait.

CANADIANS living along the border come to the U.S. for healthcare -- that should say a lot.

If you can show me that the government will do it better than (a) the VA, (b) Medicare, or (c) Medicaid, I'd be all for it. But you know very well that once the government gets hold of all that healthcare money they'll start siphoning off funds for other things and shortchanging the taxpayer -- like they do with every fiscal program that comes along.

~~JD~~

I've always thought that Moslem MDs who immigrated to the US for training and to stay should be scrutinized. These are highly intelligent people -- a pool of talent, infiltrated into the core of American Society. These people can set up safe houses, clandestine medical clinics and other support services to the Jihadists. Not too much has been said about a couple of Doctors in Florida who have been implicated in Terrorism schemes.

FAST TRACK!

The British have a fast track system in place to speed physicians entry into their country as a needed group. This both facilitates the movement of these terrorist-suspected doctors, and demonstrates that not enough British seek medicine as their field because of the "health-care system" in England which discourages physician profit and their ability to operate independently.