October 15, 2007

Poll: S-CHIP Should Remain Focused On The Poor

USA Today has polled Americans on the Democratic proposal to extend S-CHIP subsidies to middle-class families -- and the results bode ill for the bill's proponents. A majority of Americans support George Bush's veto, and an even larger majority believes it will undermine private health insurance altogether:

A majority of Americans trust Democrats to handle the issue of children's health insurance more than President Bush, but they agree with the president that government aid should not go to middle-income families or those with private insurance, a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows.

Three days before the Democratic-controlled House attempts to override Bush's veto of a five-year, $35 billion expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), the poll shows that Americans' opinions on the issue are mixed.

Of those polled, 52% said they have more confidence in Democrats to deal with the issue, compared with 32% for Bush. But majorities also supported two positions at the core of the president's opposition:

Democrats have gone on a full-court press to get this legislation passed, and then to get the veto overridden. They have used two families as fronts for the expansion, even though the children of both families qualified for S-CHIP prior to their expansion. They are running ads even now, showing toddlers with large, staring eyes, that claim "George Bush vetoed Susie," and so on.

And they have lost the argument. Despite Bush's low polling numbers and their political advantage on domestic policy, the Democrats have not convinced Americans to subsidize health insurance for middle-class families. In fact, the USA Today poll used the less-outrageous annual income limit of $62,000 for the description of the expansion (some have it at $83,000), and Democrats still lose, 52%-40%. It isn't even close.

The Democrats will attempt to override Bush's veto later this week, but this should put the final nail in the coffin for S-CHIP. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid intended on pressuring Republicans into voting for override by threatening them with targeted attacks in the 2008 election on the issue. Now it looks like the Republicans have an issue somewhat akin to HillaryCare, a vast overreach on health insurance with which they can batter Democrats as fiscally irresponsible and pandering. With numbers like these, the Democrats will have trouble holding onto the Republicans they had in the first place, let alone picking up any converts.

UPDATE: Bruce Kesler notices the failure of the Democrats, too.


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Comments (41)

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 8:57 PM

Rick Moran has wisdom about the passion play by the left side.


Funny how we don’t see any poster families who are 400% above the poverty level being pushed forward as examples of the kinds of people the $35 billion expansion of S-CHIP will help. Why not? Since the original parameters of the S-CHIP program enjoys the overwhelming support of Congress and the President, why trot forward families like the Frosts and the Wilkersons who qualify under the current rules? Why not bring to the fore those families at the high end of the expansion requirements and let the American people decide if they want to subsidize insurance for them?

The answer is obvious; a family living 400% above poverty are not as sympathetic as those, like the Wilkerson’s, who couldn’t get by without S-CHIP. In fact, pushing forward people who make more than 40% of all the families in America as the poster family for S-CHIP expansion would probably torpedo the bill then and there.

I note that this time around, the Democrats were careful to push a family forward whose choices regarding health insurance couldn’t be questioned. In that respect, if they’re waiting for conservatives to attack the Wilkerson’s, they are going to be sorely disappointed. The Democrats just don’t have a clue about the true nature of the opposition to their S-CHIP expansion. For that, they would have to give a fig about the tradeoffs we make between dependency and freedom every time they get some not so bright idea about “helping” those who can usually be counted on to help themselves.

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 8:59 PM

More on the march of the children is available here

The march of the children on the health care veto

by Matthew Hay Brown

And the kids keep coming.

First, there were Graeme and Gemma Frost, the Baltimore children who were hospitalized for months after a 2004 car crash, but who have been seen more recently in the company of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Then came Abby, Josh, Latoya and Kevin, all "vetoed" by President Bush, according to a television advertisement produced this month by liberal groups.

Now meet Bethany Wilkerson, the latest youngster enlisted by congressional Democrats or their allies to help build support for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Having suffered from heart failure as an infant, USAction says, the Florida toddler would not be alive today but for the government-funded program for moderate-income families not poor enough to qualifty for Medicaid.

Now Bethany is scheduled to speak at a Capitol Hill rally Tuesday evening, according to a release this morning by Americans United For Change.

There was no word on what the 2-year-old plans to say. But she joins a flurry of 11th-hour activity in advance of the attempt by House Democrats on Thursday to override Bush’s veto of legislation to expand coverage to 4 million more children at a cost of $35 billion over five years. (A bipartisan majority in the Senate approved the expansion by a veto-proof margin.)


Posted by capitano | October 15, 2007 9:01 PM

Mommy, why does USA/Today hate 25-year olds from families that make $85,000/year?

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 9:06 PM

Media Matters is off and running with their spin on the issue

An October 13 Wall Street Journal editorial criticizing the response by congressional Democrats to President Bush's veto of legislation that would increase funding for the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by $35 billion over five years asserted that "in truth, the Bush Administration endorses a modest expansion" of the program. The editorial went on to claim that "after his veto Mr. Bush repeatedly signaled a willingness to compromise and spend more than the $5 billion he would prefer to pump in -- which is by itself a 20% expansion." In fact, Bush's plan to "pump in" an additional $5 billion over five years would underfund the program by $9 billion during that period, according to the Congressional Budget Office. As Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, in May, the CBO estimated that "maintaining the states' current programs under SCHIP would require funding of $39 billion for the 2007-2012 period." But a $5 billion increase from baseline funding -- Bush's proposal -- over five years would total $30 billion.

So if that is correct the figures the dems are complaining about will not go as far above the 14 billion the CBO says will be needed and their expansion plans make even less sense because the 35 billion will never cover the additional 4 million kids they want to put into the system.


Posted by Terrye | October 15, 2007 9:08 PM

I hope that Bush's veto of the expansion of S-CHIP stands, but I also agree with the Captain's suggestion of a few days ago that we take the debate back to policy.

Going after people like the Frosts personally over policy differences can back fire and it really is not necessary. I think the president has a good case on its own merits.

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 9:09 PM

The left side is organizing paid phone banks to bombard those they consider weak and can flip votes on

So far they have flipped Mike McIntyre and as they state

Along with Baron Hill, that makes two of the ultimate Bush Dogs to flip. Remaining targets: Boren (OK-02), Ethridge (NC-02), Marshall (GA-08), and Taylor (MS-04).

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 9:13 PM

Two Soros funded organizations are leading the charge

If you're outraged about the President's veto of the SCHIP bill being upheld by obstructionist GOP
legislators, there are two things you can do now: 1) call one of the GOP legislators noted in this previous article at 1-800-828-0498 through Families USA, and 2) join other progressives Tuesday in front of the Capitol to raise awareness and urge Congress to support children's health. As a Campaign for America's Future email alert says:

Families USA is the group who dug up the Frost family for Harry Reid

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 9:16 PM

Here is the admission of the paid calling program

If you were one of the several hundred people who helped us finance our phone and newspaper ads campaign in the districts of the five renegade reactionary Democrats who were supporting Bush's veto of children's health care, you have another reason to celebrate. Last week we got Indiana Congressman Baron Hill to back down. Today it was North Carolina's Mike McIntyre. We ran 40,000 robocalls in his district and today he raised the white flag on his own website.

Posted by unclesmrgol | October 15, 2007 9:31 PM

If I had a Republican in the Senate, I'd call him. But I have Boxer and Feinstein, so my voice doesn't count.

Posted by Lamont P | October 15, 2007 9:32 PM

The USA Today poll reflects the unwillingness of middle income families to subsidize other middle income families. Those who are paying higher medical insurance premiums, higher deductibles and higher co-pays can't afford higher taxes as well.

Every dollar that would be used to expand S-CHIP would be a borrowed dollar. The federal government can't keep borrowing from foreign central banks to support runaway spending.

Posted by daytrader | October 15, 2007 9:50 PM

The Frost parents were on countdown tonight 

Olberman made errors in his introduction mischaracterizing the reaction and then during the interview Mr Frost admitted his business folded about the same time he bought the commercial building.

It was overlooked about their choice to work part time for many years and Mr Frost claimed that the cost of health insurance made the business fail, even though in the Baltimore Sun they said they were not able to obtain insurance and were on the SCHIP program before the accident occurred. 

Posted by Carole | October 15, 2007 10:49 PM

I think the libs are getting very upset about the
fact they are not doing as well as they told the
world they would be, hah!

They are despaate to succeed in something,
anything to brag about when they are out
there closer to the election.

After all, what else do they have? that worked?

Not much, thank heaven!

Rush's letter is at 50,000 now, it will be
great for the maines and their families.

Love his nerve!

Posted by brooklyn - hnav | October 15, 2007 11:55 PM

Good News...

This is a fine Country, and I hope this is a sign we haven't lost our common sense.

The Liberal Democrats tried very hard to portray this fine President as a lame duck.

It seems the other way around...

Posted by fighting for Americans | October 16, 2007 12:02 AM

First, I would like to say that it appears Edward Morrissey's article reads more like pure Whitehouse conjucture, as usual.

Second, it can be said "polls" stand for a lot of things, 'one' being less than precise or exact...or based on public opinion formed from misinformation, lack of information, and with a false understanding...much like Bush's relentless marketing of mass deception--to gain "support" for the Iraq invasion based on falsehoods. Thus, the mixed results should not come as a surprise.

Third, there is no "Democrat" bill...the SCHIP bill is the result of a bipartison conference which "would" NOT result in coverage for families earning $83K p.a.--that is ALREADY POSSIBLE under current law although no state has set its cut-off for a family of four that high, although NY requested to do so and was denied by this Administration.

The President has not pinpointed his misleading statement referencing $83K when requested to do so. Another deception is defining SCHIP as help to "poor children"--defined as households wih LESS THAN the poverty line--they are already covered under Medicaid. SCHIP WAS AND IS designed to cover children of LOW INCOME households--those that EXCEED the poverty line and the % of Federal Poverty Line CURRENTLY reaches up to 350%!! New Jersey is the highest with a family of four cut-off of $72.3K.

As always, the public does not receive comprehensive and precise information...then the politics of polalization take its evil hand in swaying public opinion with false facts. Something this Administration is not UNfamiliar with.

Do some research...read the bill...check bipartison websites giving FACTS--it's all out there, just seek and you will find!

And, please "daytrader" develop "opinions" based on FACTS, generally the kind that can be traced to the first-hand documentation.

Posted by patrick neid | October 16, 2007 12:07 AM

The dems could care less if the bill passed. If it does that's just a bonus.

Their goal has been accomplished. Elect us in nov 08 and the goody bag that you are currently being denied will become reality. You will be getting universal health care, and many other benefits, that will be paid for by the upper class and evil corporations.

My guess is there will be several other emotional bills like this every few months between now and the election. Like this one it will be designed to be vetoed.

Posted by docjim505 | October 16, 2007 5:10 AM

Lamont P: Every dollar that would be used to expand S-CHIP would be a borrowed dollar. The federal government can't keep borrowing from foreign central banks to support runaway spending.

An excellent point. The libs love to whine about deficits and debt especially regarding the war, but when it comes to programs THEY want... WELL! The sky's no limit!

Somebody ought to ask that pack of wardheelers what other budget items they're willing to cut in order to fund S-CHIP expansion.

(crickets chirping)

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by old white guy | October 16, 2007 6:20 AM

so 80k is now the poverty level in the US. wow what a country.

Posted by Lightwave | October 16, 2007 6:48 AM

It's pretty clear that the Graeme Frost issue killed S-CHIP. Once again the moonbats are in the minority and America isn't fooled by HillaryCare Jr. and the right blogosphere deserves a fair amount of credit for not only exposing the program as the Democrats would have it as a wasteful government fraud, but for holding the GOP's feet to the fire on this too.

The moonbats were so very smug that the right "overplayed their hand" by going after the Frost family, but as they are so fond of saying "A majority of Americans agree with that position."

Posted by MarkD | October 16, 2007 6:51 AM

My 25 year old got his own insurance when he was sorking part time. No insurance is not an option.

My former co-worker's son, similar age, is about $50K in debt as a result of an accident. To put it politely, he basically spent a year as a ski bum. He hit a tree and broke bones in his face which required surgery. I'm sorry, but I have a problem subsidizing his lifestyle.

Everything in life is a trade-off. He may look back on that year as the best one of his life, despite the accident. I hope so. But I don't expect other people to pay for my vacation. or my car. or my house. or my insurance.

Posted by Mwalimu Daudi | October 16, 2007 6:55 AM

As always, the public does not receive comprehensive and precise information...then the politics of polalization take its evil hand in swaying public opinion with false facts. Something this Administration is not UNfamiliar with.

Oh, goody goody gumdrops - another deranged lefty claiming everything is a vast right-wing conspiracy.

Posted by njcommuter | October 16, 2007 7:25 AM

If the poll is correct, then there is hope that the American voter is still capable of making a reasonable decision BUT that may require keeping the issue before them long enough that they have time to think it over, even if only unconsciously.

Blogs like this one are surely playing a part in this. To Captain Ed and all bloggers: Keep putting the information out; keep putting reasoned information out.

And if longer exposure to the issues means more rational support by the voters, then this horribly stretched primary season may do us some critical good.

Posted by swabjockey05 | October 16, 2007 7:29 AM

M doudi: LOL!

Pat Neid. Good point. Given the blatant corruption displayed by the Hbeast (and the criminals/Berglers she associates with), I don't see how much more "help" the Repubs need to get "their man" elected. If the Repub --ANY Repub-- doesn't win POTUS, the Repub party (as we know it today) is finished.

Posted by swabjockey05 | October 16, 2007 7:36 AM

--depending on how it changes, maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing.

I delayed retirement (voluntarily) with the GWOT. Now I have the specter of serving under the Hildabeast as my CinC? I’ll be the first to admit I ain’t no saint….but are my sins so great that I deserve such a fate?

Posted by Immolate | October 16, 2007 7:43 AM

fighting for Americans,

If you're going to publish your screed on one of the top conservative blogs, please do us the courtesy of spell-checking it first. It is tedious enough to wade through such a diatribe without having to do ffA-to-English translations.

What does SCHIP have to do with Iraq? I don't see it.

Also, I am not in favor of taxpayer-funded health insurance for anyone, so your hair-splitting regarding 83K vs 72.3K is lost on me. Health care is not a right.

Posted by NoDonkey | October 16, 2007 8:09 AM

fighting for Armenians,

"much like Bush's relentless marketing of mass deception--to gain "support" for the Iraq invasion based on falsehoods."

Thanks for clear evidence that you are a Democrat Party liar. I might have actually taken the remainder of your post seriously.

"Do some research...read the bill...check bipartison websites giving FACTS"

Fact is, "fighting for Armenians", left wing government programs have been screwing up our health care system since the New Deal and the disastrous introduction of Medicare, which tripled health care costs inside of a decade.

The federal government has no business meddling in the health care industry.

Tell your precious Democrat Party lying politicians to keep their mitts the hell out of health care. Most of them are worthless attorneys, how about they fix our legal lottery system.

Posted by syn | October 16, 2007 8:12 AM

I know health insurance is an expensive yet necessary investment and this is the area I would like to see revamped to make it easier for people to attain their own private insurance however I am stunned that many Americans are so willing to want to put their lives in control of government hands.

If people are complaining about the government staying out of their bedroom and keeping their hands off of wombs why then are they so willing to give total access to their bodies over to government control; to me this is a foreign concept I cannot relate.

Perhaps this is why the Dems incorporate emotional blackmail into the discussion, it stops people from thinking rationally.

Posted by Michael Smith | October 16, 2007 8:21 AM

Immolate wrote:

Health care is not a right.

Exactly. No one can claim a right to goods and services that others must labor to provide or to pay for. Such a claim would amount to claiming a right to some amount of involuntary servitude on the part of others, i.e. a claim to some amount of slavery.

This, of course, is precisely the premise of the entire welfare state: it is the notion that some individuals possess special rights to free goods and services while other individuals are denied these special rights and are, instead, forced to surrender some portion of their rights, such as the right to their property, in order to pay for the special rights granted to others.

Thus, the welfare state destroys the notion of equal rights under the law and institutionalizes a system of legal inequality. And liberals are dedicated to expanding this inequality by pushing more individuals into the group with special rights -- for purposes of buying their votes -- while further diminishing the other group's right to their money. It is, at root, all about looting one group to buy the votes of another.

Since they long ago abandoned the advocacy of liberty and switched to the advocacy of looting, liberals should the have grace to call themselves "looterals".

Posted by newton | October 16, 2007 8:59 AM

Don't people realize that any "new program" or "expanding program" that claims to give goodies to a huge segment of the population will eventually BANKRUPT this country?

Just yesterday, the first Baby Boomer filed her application to receive Social Security. In the next ten years, millions will follow. (Try about 70.) The drumbeat has sounded for years to reform Soc.Sec. before the first Boomer retired. Even the President tried his best to begin anew talk of reform. Democrats shut him down with scare tactics - similarly used here with S-CHIP.

I don't know the number of children in this country, but I sure don't think that the American people are willing to bring this nation into Chapter 11 "For The Children."

As I saw in a book lost to my memory a long time ago, "It wasn't the Barbarians that destroyed Rome, but the free circuses."

Posted by swabjockey05 | October 16, 2007 10:16 AM

Syn brings up a good point again (she's as smart as she is HOT!!)

The lefty useful idiots who chant "Keep the Gov out of my womb" are the same simpletons begging to let the same Government take over ALL HEALTH CARE….as if Americans will have any privacy left after that happens.

Likewise, the same nitwits say "Letting the Government "tap" terrorist communication is an infringement on privacy"....then roll over and give the same Government incredible powers to go after individual Americans who are "tax cheats".

They trust the IRS with American's personal information...but not NSA with foreigner's info. The lefties love the IRS…but hate NSA/military. Go figure.

The pinnacle of audaciousness is when the Dhimmis parade Hildabeast, in all her glory, with Bergler and other criminals in tow...in the face of the electorate. If she wins, what does that say about the Repub party?

Posted by daytrader | October 16, 2007 10:17 AM

This bit of commentary over at the Kos kids shows that this push is not about the kids, it is just a maneuvered power play using the kids as a bludgeon.

Note to Republicans: this is a really stupid battle. You're better off cutting your losses and overriding the veto, but since you won't, we'll pass something similar for another vote and see you in November, 2008. And for those short-sighted enough to think "well, I'm in a safe district", by denying health insurance to children, you are destroying the Republican brand (and further burying conservatism) with overspending everywhere else and refusing this. Good long term strategery, that

Note their similarity to the published tactics of fixed withdrawal dates from Iraq.  No body is denying the kids health care, re authorization was what GW wanted from the beginning.  It is simply expansion that is not wanted or justified..

Posted by Angry Dumbo | October 16, 2007 10:57 AM

Taxes are a huge issue in the 08 cycle. Increasing property taxes and decreasing home valuations have most home owners mad as hell.

Most voters are home owners, do the math.

All levels of government have to learn to do with less and are showing no inclination for doing so. The moderate Republican field is less than impressive on spending.

We are doomed.

Posted by NoDonkey | October 16, 2007 12:16 PM

"Increasing property taxes and decreasing home valuations have most home owners mad as hell."

Property taxes are levied locally, aren't they? As in, by the absolutely worthless Democrats who run things here in the People's Republic of Arlington, Virginia?

Here's how Democrats run things. Despite a $500 million budget for our public "schools" (and this for the smallest county in the U.S.), the high school near me looks like something out of the inner city of DC - rotting infrastructure.

And there are no mean ol' Republicans to blame here. There are no elected Republicans in Arlington and the local Democrats can tax to their heart's content.

I don't know what these clowns are doing with the money that's supposedly devoted to "education", but if they're not stealing it, what they're doing is a close relative to it.

At least our home valuations are stable here, although the Democrats tax them at a higher valuation then we can sell them for, but that's always been the case.

Posted by working against stupidity | October 16, 2007 1:28 PM

doen't any of the radical right-winger "commentators" here understand any issue with factual perception? don't you see your own fanaticism parallels that of ANY religious extremest?...you are no better OR smarter than they. can't tune in here anymore, this was just a quirk I landed on this page (thank god!).

p.s. "donkey"...you sound very much like a fanatic extremest (a donkey as well), which you without doubt are. generally those with such unintelligible basis generally DON'T seek the truth nor ever begin to grasp reality.

p.s. "newton" (that's stretching it!) when was the last time you took a look at this country's deficit?? your REPUBLICAN prez bush bankrupted this country long ago...oh my, you DIDN'T UNDERSTAND what bush's "budget"meant, or his war occupaton?
FYI the deficit as of 10/16 is $9,050 TRILLION and growning by $1.92 BILLION PER DAY. your share at THIS MINUTE in time is $30K based on a population of 303,273M. as Reuter's said "at least it's not a ZILLION!"

Posted by syn | October 16, 2007 2:03 PM

What a mouth-full of 'working against stupidity'

And yet ...many still insist that Republicans should 'tone down' their 'ugly' rhetoric when discussing national policies because they will lose elections for 'sounding mean'.

Now let's discuss how many adults are using S-CHIP funds meant for Saving The Children's Health.

Thanks Swabjockey05 for both compliments, our Yin Yang is in balance.

Posted by NoDonkey | October 16, 2007 2:06 PM

"stupidity is not working"

"p.s. "donkey"...you sound very much like a fanatic extremest (sic) (a donkey as well)"

An extremest (sic)? Since you misspelled this work twice, I imagine this is the next cut and paste accusation the lunatic left will throw against the wall, in a vain attempt to slander those with whom they disagree.

"your REPUBLICAN prez bush bankrupted this country long ago"

Sure. Couldn't be all of the worthless social programs the far left Democrat Party has been saddling us with for the past 60 years, it's the defense of the nation that's bankrupted us, including all that ACTIVE DUTY salaries are costing us in Iraq.

Which would be paid whether we were at war or not. Which your lying Democrat Party includes in the bill for the war. And national defense is one of the few things the federal government is charged with.

Posted by Gary Gross | October 16, 2007 2:34 PM

This is just more proof that social singularity works. It doesn't matter much if you aren't popular generally speaking. It matters a great deal if you're advancing intelligent policies.

Posted by working against stupidity | October 16, 2007 2:48 PM

working against stupidity, still...

extremest misspelling this "work(sic)" twice?

check out your dictionary for the correct meaning...E-X-T-R-E-M-E-S-T. "fanatic extremIST" is a moot point. do u not understand the difference? I thought not. perhaps it is YOU that must gain a better understanding of many things including the English language. apparently this point among many you miss entirely.

it is apparent of the limited understanding given the FANATICISM. education of facts is useless. even the misconception of democrats "saddling debt burdens on society. this, again, you really MUST research past presidencies and budgets--the myth of "democrats & unnecessary spending" does not equate and never has. Republicans historically burden our society with deficits. another "un"-equatable theory is the misconception that the current deficit as a result of "protection of the U.S.", "fight against terrorism","response to 9/11),etc...or worse yet exploiting our troops wages as a justification to a of preemptive war! as time has passed and the truth has been made clear by bipartison committees, release of administrative documents, international discussions,as only mere examples--it has become important to understand how and why such preventable mistakes lead this great democracy into such clear historic fiasco--virtually every step of the Iraq invasion was based on falsehoods and mismanagement of an endless war. and to a greater depth, how to redeem our position in this world and face our tragic mistakes head-on. It is un-American to ignore the truth and remain blind and ignorant.

have at feeding your fanaticism and blind path for I am no longer here to listening to such un-American thoughts...

Posted by hunter | October 16, 2007 2:55 PM

Under the democrats we see our alliances being destroyed, oil markets reaching new highs on democrat party generated fears, our private insurance sector being destabilized by needless interference, our troops being insulted and our intel operations compromised.
Wow, what leadership.

Posted by working against stupidity | October 16, 2007 3:10 PM

WOW,what stupidity! typical conjecture...

sorry still on site. bye--go for it!

Posted by Karen | October 16, 2007 11:13 PM

This is very good news that the public opposes the SCHIP expansion despite the demonizing of anyone who questioned it. I saw the Frosts on Keith Olberman's show last night and what a terrible case they make for taxpayer subsidy even with Olberman's spinning. Social Security and Medicare benefit the middle class and have huge support because everyone will get the benefits if they don't die. Programs like SCHIP always have to be snuck in - probably most people never heard of it before the Frost controversy - because the middle class does not want to to pay for subsidies to other middle class people.

Posted by Monty | October 17, 2007 11:08 AM

Here is some very good news and different from what is being said here. CNN has new poll results that has tripled the span of USA poll and informed exact details of bill. The results are:

61% American public wants S-CHIP PASSED
(about 30% said no)

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